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Old 12-13-2018, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
I am a bit confused by the vin sticker and some other aspects of the car. The sticker appears to be a replacement and I am not seeing the crinkle paint all 93 and earlier 964's have.

Here is the sticker posted vs a known stock sticker. It looks like a nice example for a reasonable price but is there more we need to know?




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Old 12-13-2018, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
I am a bit confused by the vin sticker and some other aspects of the car. The sticker appears to be a replacement and I am not seeing the crinkle paint all 93 and earlier 964's have.

Here is the sticker posted vs a known stock sticker. It looks like a nice example for a reasonable price but is there more we need to know?

The options sticker is original as is the finish underneath.


Old 12-13-2018, 10:07 PM
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My 94 didn't have crinkle paint - if it helps?
Old 12-13-2018, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Joseph Schneider


The options sticker is original as is the finish underneath.


It is definitely not original- This is a reproduction. Its not the end of the world or a huge deal, maybe the hood was resprayed, they removed original & put this reproduction one. Maybe take a paint meter to the car to be sure it hasn't had paint work, and if it has, again its not a huge deal, most have- but you want to be accurate with your description and not make wrong claims by mistake when someone asks you.
Old 12-14-2018, 08:43 AM
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Ok so it does have the crinkle paint which is correct for 1992. Only 94 MY 964's have a clean smooth finish which was carried through to the 993. As Tarek307 noted and is the case the sticker is a reproduction. Could have been replaced for many reasons. Car Bone can make a better reproduction for you but this sticker IMO detracts from the car and throws up red flags. A simple way to confirm this is by comparing it to the duplicate located in the owners manual.

This sticker is one of the first things I look at when inspecting cars for people. Out of the countless ones I have looked at they all looked like the ones I posted. Sometimes new owners removed them along with all the stickers inside the windshield and rear quarter glass because they didn't like them and had no idea they would be pertinent to future sales. Just as someone removed the rear badge.

FYI The tool bag is incorrect for the 964. The tools look to be correct other than the addition of the 24mm wrench which AFAIK is not part of the kit and not listed on the PET. The bag came in two versions for the 964 both had a white interior with either snaps for the earlier cars or tie strings for the later cars. Minor stuff and sometimes a dealer issue but when you look at as many of these as I have you pick up on what came stock with these.

Still a beautiful car. So long as everything checks out it is a great value.

Just realized this car has been discussed before. The interior appears different then the victory pictures, could be the lighting and a leather center console and tray has been added along with the removal of the rear emblem.

​​​​​​http://victory-motorcars.ebizautos.c...-17193841.html

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Old 12-17-2018, 05:30 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Porsch....c100290.m3507

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Priced a little high even for retail? $48,500
90 964 black/black/tan 58,000 mi
Pros - good color combo & low miles, clean carfax, looks to be in good shape cosmetically.
Cons - 1990, D90 wheels, flag mirrors.
Whadya think?
Old 12-17-2018, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BHMav8r
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Porsch....c100290.m3507

No affiliation.
Priced a little high even for retail? $48,500
90 964 black/black/tan 58,000 mi
Pros - good color combo & low miles, clean carfax, looks to be in good shape cosmetically.
Cons - 1990, D90 wheels, flag mirrors.
Whadya think?
I took a very fast look at the pictures and I noted the drivers side front fender has an odd curve near the hood at the corner, obviously some type of prior body damage that was repaired. I’ll look more closely later but I do think the price seems high being a cab with potential body damage.

I would want to look at the Carfax and also ask for any prior service records to verify the mileage. The interior looks good but without high resolution pictures it’s really difficult to confirm.
Old 12-17-2018, 07:48 PM
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Cant really see what you do in the fender. Need to look again on a bigger monitor.
Book shows maint at 6000mi then again at 32,000mi 5 yrs later - not impressive. Not offered any maint history after that.
Doesnt mean it wasnt maintained. Maybe the dealer just didnt show it.
Definitely would need some investigation and a thorough ppi.
Even with a decent ppi,not sure I would be interested at $43K - but I really havent priced these in the last couple of years.
Old 12-17-2018, 11:17 PM
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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-porsche-911-rs/
This will be interesting to follow.
Old 12-19-2018, 10:10 PM
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https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-porsche-c2-cab/6768486152.html
Old 12-20-2018, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 18T_BT
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-porsche-c2-cab/6768486152.html
well maintained with duct tape and dirt
Old 12-20-2018, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 18T_BT
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-porsche-c2-cab/6768486152.html
Originally Posted by GoatFarmer
well maintained with duct tape and dirt
Hah no kidding, looks like the top has some tears in it too. Conveniently there’s no close up pictures of it. At least the owner made the effort to clean the car up before putting it up for sale
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Not a bad price for an 80k C2 cab (top is 2-3k to replace). It looks like it has RoW suspensions, third brake light delete and H4s.
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Originally Posted by _Remi
Not a bad price for an 80k C2 cab (top is 2-3k to replace). It looks like it has RoW suspensions, third brake light delete and H4s.
I suspect there is more going on than meets the eye. I would say $5-7K high when you find out everything that needs to be addressed.
Old 12-21-2018, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gregmitch
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-porsche-911-rs/
This will be interesting to follow.
I've heard this car has been for sale for a while. Anyone know the story? Wheels aren't correct (either set). matching #s and glass in tact. I am not sure what to make of the paint meter readings. thickest on the hood. Engine modified when rebuilt. Seems like a cool driver and not a museum piece. Are there any records of sale of "non-mint" examples? I don't really want one I can't drive. But I also don't want one that's been whacked or resprayed in another color, etc.

I previously would have assumed this would bring all the money on BAT, but some sales have surprised me recently. I wasn't paying attention recently when a 356A driver with non matching #'s went in the $60s. But if its been for sale for a while, I assume the reserve is that of an owner that has been chasing the market down...


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