Friend of mine is selling is selling this Midnight Blue RS. Actually looked at it a 3 or 4 years ago. Nice car, but did have some previous damage and paintwork. Decided to pony up the extra money to get a pristine low mileage US Cup that I have now.

Previous listing from 2021:
https://hatchandsons.com/sold-vehicl...arrera-rs-964/

Previous listing from 2020:
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1220550

 

This is my friend's old car. It has a replacement engine (replaced in period many years ago) and while it is gorgeous (and it is that), it's also the reason I wouldn't own an N/GT. Driving a caged car is just not fun on the street, it is very stiff and not the experience that I'm looking for. Very rare car though being a Macau car and I love the color inside and out.

 

I want to love this car but even I with my limited knowledge (in comparison to the real experts here) can see quite a few issues:

https://www.grandprimotors.com/used/...e3f95bafa5.htm

Ruby brings the money almost always but this isn't anywhere close to stock, curious if someone will actually bite at that price just because of the color.

 

Definitely not stock and some not original parts. TMU, plenty of patina, and likely body and paintwork. But the real nail in the coffin for this one is no Mizwa sticker on the rear window.

Hear some people settle for sub par examples because of the color. Overlooking or willing to take on major issues because it’s a rare or interesting color. IMO that’s exactly what you shouldn’t do. Buy the best quality one you can afford. Meaning not just spec, but most original best condition. Unless of course with a few of these cars you’re planning on doing a full restoration.

 

I wouldn’t care to drive around a full caged car on the street as well. Too many risks and also not having three point seat belts is not the best.

Engine replacement is a big issue for many top buyers. Demand numbers matching. Know some guys with significant collections and they wouldn’t take a non-numbers matching car even if it was less than half price.

 

I guess I don't watch the non-RS market that much. But when I first started hunting for them, the general consensus was that the european RS were more broadly desirable than the Mizwa cars. And maybe that is because the market is bigger. Europeans preferred european cars. So the Mizwa market was/is smaller.

 

Oh I would take a Euro car over a Japanese/Mizwa car and I think most people who know these cars would (although to be clear, LOTS of bad euro cars as well). @RapidGT was just making the joke that people have some weird fascination with the Mizwa sticker on Japanese cars when the reality of the Japanese-market cars is often a story of attempted concealment of issues (ie, lots of pigs with lots of lipstick).

 

Going to be listing my '91 Targa this summer – need to ideally free up funds for a business I'm starting (but don't *have* to sell). I was worried the market might be getting wonky and selling right now would be a bad idea, but prices seem to be holding or even going up. Is that what others are seeing?

 

Honestly it seems a bit all over the place. The "right" cars are still selling for big numbers (that grey 965 on BAT today isn't even a perfect one and went for huge money) but then more run of the mill seem to be struggling a bit. IMO the 964 Targas are so rare that for the right buyer, they'll continue to draw strong interest.

Then again timing ANYTHING right now based on the market is super hard. People have watched their nest eggs rise, fall and rise again in 7 figure swings in the last few months so if you want to cash out, it's probably not a bad idea to start testing the waters. Choose a number you're happy with and if you get it, great. If not, sounds like you can hold on to it anyhow.

 

I almost bought a C4 Mitsuwa slickup years back but it was pretty rough. Clear repaint and rotted seals everywhere. No airbag and slicktop had me thinking C4 lightweight style car but it just needed too much.
Some pics of the ROW Japan import in this thread: Ok now that I have this in PPI - what do you guys think? - Page 3 - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

I admit, I was sad that the mitsuwa sticker was in some of the original pics before this seller had it - but were now missing.

 

Thank you, that all tracks. And that's exactly my plan – I'll do some final prep for sale, list it at a price I want, and see what happens. I might even just list it locally only to start, since in my area there are a number of collectors.

The car is turn-key and modified tastefully so ideally it piques someone's interest more than a generic car that will need a lot of work.

Thanks!

 

There's a guy selling reproduction Mizwa window decals on eBay. The sticker adds 5hp and $50k in value

 

I’m likely selling my ‘90 C2 coupe this year also and I have been watching the market as well. I surely thought we’d see a dip in prices, but it seems that quality cars are still bringing very good money in this current market. At these price points, the people who will be buying are likely not struggling (much) financially.

 

For RoW don’t care which country the car came from. If I believe it to be a great example then that’s pretty much all that matters. I’d put a slight premium on a US delivered 964 as I find it easier to trace the cars history and states like California make it more of a pain for RoW cars. Know for the most part US-market cars aren’t desirable in Europe. Heard that some people in other countries consider it a status symbol to own a car from a different country. For example, owning a German-market car in Japan some see as a status symbol. I think it’s incredibly dumb.

Have noticed that Japanese-market cars tend to have more backstories that sometimes aren’t disclosed. Cleaned up and sold as a no stories example. Odometer rollbacks are pretty common and some are frequently repainted because supposedly insurance coverage there allows it for normal wear and tear. Though if you do find a clean Japanese-market example then it’s just as good as a European-market equivalent. Just seems a higher percentage of Japanese-market cars seem to have a few skeletons in the closet.
Hard to say what’s going to happen as there’s a lot of uncertainty with everything. The stock market has been very frantic which usually leaks into everything else especially the car market. Though the car market has still been doing ok despite what’s been going on.

 

Perfectly stated. 100% agree.