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Old Mar 24, 2023 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegas993
Lol, cool story but I've never met a car dealer that was OK with losing that kind of money on a car deal and that includes many successful ones.
i’n sure they aren’t happy about it but I’m guessing they can handle it. Every business has winners and losers in their sales, just like peoples investments. As long as there are more winners you are fine
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Old Mar 24, 2023 | 11:33 AM
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I have a ringless motor with a found broken stud on cylinder 3. IMO I'd rather the ringless motor as I'm still gonna use the car for the foreseeable future (obviously not beating on it), as my feelings are there's 4 studs per cylinder, this is the middle (which is also odd why middle cylinders break, maybe heat??) and worst case, if there was some movement, you don't have to worry about a ring moving and smashing things on the heads/jugs.....Though at that point I'm sure it would make some noise... It also makes me feel better until I can swallow the cost of having to build a new piece. I've already picked up some Xtreme cylinder heads, hoping to pair w/ some 3.8 pistons/jugs, and custom cams. Weird though they don't rely on a gasket at all, although it is naturally aspirated too so no real worry of lifting the heads I guess.
I have never seen or heard of the later engines having broken head studs. This is a problem on the earlier engines. They redesigned the heads and changed the alloy when they improved the engines.

I had a very nice early engine that was modified heavily. They machined the heads and the tops of the cylinders to increase compression. They cut the crush rings into the cylinders and used 993TT/cup car threaded head studs. Power was better than most simple 3.8 conversions at 272hp and 269 ft pounds tq. The issue with the early heads is they would warp and that would cause the head studs to break. They changed the design to preclude this so there is no concern with the revised engines. I have seen the later engines go 300k miles without issues other than worn valves and guides.

Also Cylinder # 5 is what I find has most issues on all these engines. It is sandwiched between the others and the reason Porsche used the flat fan for the race engines is to better circulate the air. the rear mounted fan doesn't do as well cooling the inner cylinders.

The day my 928 GTS arrived it blew one of the coolant hoses. The seller, the late Michael Willhoit paid for all the coolant hoses to be replaced and sent me a check for $250 to take my wife out to dinner for the inconvenience. he also said drive it for a month and if i wasn't satisfied he would take it back just pay to have it return shipped.

A good salesman should always be willing to stand behind their product.

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Old Mar 24, 2023 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
I have never seen or heard of the later engines having broken head studs. This is a problem on the earlier engines. They redesigned the heads and changed the alloy when they improved the engines.

I had a very nice early engine that was modified heavily. They machined the heads and the tops of the cylinders to increase compression. They cut the crush rings into the cylinders and used 993TT/cup car threaded head studs. Power was better than most simple 3.8 conversions at 272hp and 269 ft pounds tq. The issue with the early heads is they would warp and that would cause the head studs to break. They changed the design to preclude this so there is no concern with the revised engines. I have seen the later engines go 300k miles without issues other than worn valves and guides.

Also Cylinder # 5 is what I find has most issues on all these engines. It is sandwiched between the others and the reason Porsche used the flat fan for the race engines is to better circulate the air. the rear mounted fan doesn't do as well cooling the inner cylinders.

The day my 928 GTS arrived it blew one of the coolant hoses. The seller, the late Michael Willhoit paid for all the coolant hoses to be replaced and sent me a check for $250 to take my wife out to dinner for the inconvenience. he also said drive it for a month and if i wasn't satisfied he would take it back just pay to have it return shipped.

A good salesman should always be willing to stand behind their product.
I'm sorry, mine is cylinder 5, middle passenger, don't know why I thought 3. Caveat Emptor, I should have done a PPI, but I digress. I still got a good deal and suspect the prior owner found the stud as upon inspection, it was nowhere to be found in there!
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by s65e90
I'm sorry, mine is cylinder 5, middle passenger, don't know why I thought 3. Caveat Emptor, I should have done a PPI, but I digress. I still got a good deal and suspect the prior owner found the stud as upon inspection, it was nowhere to be found in there!

Yep had to have known. Usually you can tell if a head stud is broken by listening for the broken part rattling around while running. I had 4 on my 90 engine. Foolishly back in 2015 they weren't worth anything and I sold a complete engine for $3k. Today that same engine can bring $15k or more. Crazy.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 09:51 AM
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Yep had to have known. Usually you can tell if a head stud is broken by listening for the broken part rattling around while running. I had 4 on my 90 engine. Foolishly back in 2015 they weren't worth anything and I sold a complete engine for $3k. Today that same engine can bring $15k or more. Crazy.
My car has headers w/ stinger pipe and no mufflers. Hard to hear anything rattling other than everything else rattling lol.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by s65e90
My car has headers w/ stinger pipe and no mufflers. Hard to hear anything rattling other than everything else rattling lol.

I guess not.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 01:34 PM
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4 option Guards Red RSA on BaT.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rs-america-50/
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 02:20 PM
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Curious to see what the TMU explanation is.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 04:32 PM
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Curious to see what the TMU explanation is.
Same. It's going to need to be pretty conclusive to avoid a value hit on what would be a very low mile car. I know that sometimes the DMV just messes up.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 05:09 PM
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Wow, RNM on the white one at $135k...
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas993
Wow, RNM on the white one at $135k...
Wild.. I feel like that was a good price, considering it was a early model C4.
Looking through his receipts he spent 24k on that interior + those Augment wheels. Guessing he thought he would see that investment back and then some.
In reality, Cup1's would have probably been more desirable and the interior, while cool, is just way too custom and if i'm being picky I can spot some poor areas from the pics.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 05:37 PM
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I feel like $100k was too much for that car but clearly I know nothing, haha.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas993
I feel like $100k was too much for that car but clearly I know nothing, haha.
I've been watching the market really closely and i figured it would go in the 125-145 rage.. the main holdback being a C4 vs C2 and it hasn't had a total engine rebuild.
135 was solid. The listing said he's only put 100miles since ownership, so I'm guessing he bought it and dressed it up just to flip.
he would have been better served with an OEM interior, custom recaro's and Cup1s.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mic_crispy
I've been watching the market really closely and i figured it would go in the 125-145 rage.. the main holdback being a C4 vs C2 and it hasn't had a total engine rebuild.
135 was solid. The listing said he's only put 100miles since ownership, so I'm guessing he bought it and dressed it up just to flip.
he would have been better served with an OEM interior, custom recaro's and Cup1s.
Lol, one would think... https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...ra-4-coupe-10/
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegas993
Was this the one with oil leaks ?
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