964 Prices
11-17-2015, 01:57 PM
#661
Essentially the right cars no matter what model will go through the roof. The guess is what makes a car the "right" car. It differs considerably for a 964 vs a 993. Right now the 964 started with very low production numbers at least in the US compared to other air cooled models. The low production numbers of the 964 was also diminished by the car being the black sheep for so long and many were neglected turned into track cars and scrapped out. Now we have everyone using them to build singers, outlaws and other back date tributes. This leaves a very small number of original cars vs a myriad of 993's. Do a search there are at least 20 993's for every 964 for sale and most of the 964's are junk vs the 993's which are pristine in comparison. So a clean pristine 964 with low mileage has the potential of becoming a valuable commodity especially the 92-94 MY cars.
11-18-2015, 01:38 AM
#662
Burning Brakes
So true about production and rate of attrition.
A quick search of autotrader.ca in Canada shows there are 4 964s (two turbos 91 and 92, and two 93 RS Americas) and 30 993s! This does not represent all that is for sale in Canada but it provides a pretty good representation of the numbers available up here.
A quick search of autotrader.ca in Canada shows there are 4 964s (two turbos 91 and 92, and two 93 RS Americas) and 30 993s! This does not represent all that is for sale in Canada but it provides a pretty good representation of the numbers available up here.
12-11-2015, 01:27 AM
#665
Burning Brakes
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If you would, please provide the following:
purchase price (in USD please)
purchase date
mileage
state or country where purchased
Model year
C2 or C4
Coupe, targa or cab
color
tip or manual
NA or turbo
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.)
did the vehicle come with tool kit
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest)
If you would, please provide the following:
purchase price (in USD please)
purchase date
mileage
state or country where purchased
Model year
C2 or C4
Coupe, targa or cab
color
tip or manual
NA or turbo
any aftermarket accessories that came with the car (including but not limited to wheels, suspension, exhaust, seats, stereo, mirrors, pedals, steering wheel, etc.)
did the vehicle come with tool kit
did the vehicle come with tire inflator kit
your assessment of the vehicle history in terms of paperwork/receipts (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the interior quality (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the exterior quality (1-10, 10 being highest)
your assessment of the mechanical condition of the vehicle (1-10, 10 being highest)
12-13-2015, 02:23 PM
#666
$65K purchased Nov 2015 in Texas. 1991 c2 manual coupe with 29.8K miles - guards red over tan. I'm no expert, so I rate the car, and the entire buying experience, a 10. Bought the car local from a true car guy and gentlemen. I couldnt be happier with my first Porsche. In truth, not too worried about price appreciation. Now a want an early 930 - there is a white one, with blue tartan seats parked next to mine where I keep my car, but that's for another forum.
12-14-2015, 12:45 AM
#668
Rennlist Member
$65K purchased Nov 2015 in Texas. 1991 c2 manual coupe with 29.8K miles - guards red over tan. I'm no expert, so I rate the car, and the entire buying experience, a 10. Bought the car local from a true car guy and gentlemen. I couldnt be happier with my first Porsche. In truth, not too worried about price appreciation. Now a want an early 930 - there is a white one, with blue tartan seats parked next to mine where I keep my car, but that's for another forum.
12-14-2015, 12:00 PM
#669
$65K purchased Nov 2015 in Texas. 1991 c2 manual coupe with 29.8K miles - guards red over tan. I'm no expert, so I rate the car, and the entire buying experience, a 10. Bought the car local from a true car guy and gentlemen. I couldnt be happier with my first Porsche. In truth, not too worried about price appreciation. Now a want an early 930 - there is a white one, with blue tartan seats parked next to mine where I keep my car, but that's for another forum.
12-17-2015, 07:10 PM
#671
Burning Brakes
Porsche 964 Fleabay Selling Prices
Though I'd share the selling prices I've recorded from fleabay for the standard variant 964's for 2015. These only reflect the selling prices for winning bids. I've tried to represent as a minimum clear title, fully functioning drive-able cars in fair condition and everything up from this. Of course I may have missed a few, but for the most part I was trying to capture the average selling price for the coupe manuals, coupe tips, cab manuals, and cab tips. Just not enough targas, so they weren't included.
I know fleabay prices may tend to be lower and not reflect the true market, but it's the only real data of any consistent quantity that there is access to for selling prices. Hoping it's of some interest for everyone.
Coupe Manual
Yr Typ Mileage Sold For Date
90 C2 146,963 $22,500 Jan 02/15
90 C2 127,000 $35,000 Jan 18/15
92 C2 84,300 $39,000 Jan 18/15
90 C4 114,000 $31,600 Mar 13/15
90 C2 125,911 $39,000 Mar 17/15
89 C4 53,500 $44,205 Mar 22/15
91 C4 68,575 $40,000 Apr 03/15
89 C4 74,423 $42,900 Apr 27/15
89 C4 93,700 $34,000 May 03/15
90 C2 212,142 $35,950 May 20/15
90 C2 86,756 $39,350 May 23/15
93 C4 77,000 $40,999 May 24/15
91 C2 66,000 $30,100 Jul 19/15
92 C2 150,000 $31,000 Sep 25/15
90 C2 86,600 $39,500 Oct 02/15
89 C4 79,767 $33,100 Oct 18/15
90 C2 97,871 $32,500 Oct 23/15
90 C2 114,300 $38,258 Nov 08/15
91 C4 95,000 $45,000 Nov 17/15
90 C2 77,948 $36,995 Nov 26/15
93 C2 77,378 $48,500 Dec 01/15
89 C4 89,454 $37,100 Dec 03/15
Average 99,936 $37,116
Coupe Tiptronic
Yr Mileage Sold For Date
94 78,143 $28,000 Jan 13/15
90 111,854 $26,400 Feb 23/15
91 136,855 $25,998 Apr 08/15
93 74,144 $25,500 May 11/15
91 64,069 $25,207 Oct 09/15
91 87,000 $29,200 Oct 17/15
Average 92,011 $26,718
Cab Manual
Yr Typ Mileage Sold For Date
90 C2 88,000 $25,000 Jan 07/15
90 C2 71,541 $39,950 Jan 19/15
91 C4 89,700 $25,000 Jan 25/15
90 C4 83,000 $25,000 Feb 15/15
91 C4 53,230 $35,100 Apr 03/15
92 C2 82,622 $26,600 Apr 13/15
90 C2 65,452 $34,000 Apr 19/15
90 C2 71,814 $37,250 Apr 29/15
90 C2 47,600 $39,990 May 09/15
90 C2 53,500 $41,900 Jun 14/15
91 C2 128,000 $25,100 Jun 30/15
90 C2 140,200 $21,100 Sep 20/15
91 C2 169,000 $28,950 Oct 04/15
92 C2 57,000 $24,201 Oct 10/15
93 C2 49,985 $37,100 Oct 16/15
91 C2 133,198 $25,100 Oct 28/15
91 C2 143,000 $26,100 Oct 31/15
90 C4 41,276 $39,500 Nov 07/15
90 C2 96,500 $26,100 Nov 15/15
90 C4 55,457 $37,700 Dec 05/15
90 C4 102,000 $28,200 Dec 13/15
Average 86,765 $30,902
Cab Tiptronic
Yr Mileage Sold For Date
91 116,605 $17,100 Jan 09/15
90 112,613 $21,890 Jan 04/15
91 98,544 $21,150 Feb 14/15
90 80,263 $26,700 Mar 04/15
90 48,136 $26,750 Apr 09/15
90 37,000 $34,100 Jul 30/15
90 113,519 $30,000 Jul 31/15
90 37,000 $32,100 Aug 07/15
90 127,048 $30,099 Aug 11/15
90 37,000 $34,100 Jul 30/15
91 105,418 $25,000 Oct 08/15
92 70,000 $27,600 Oct 28/15
90 87,734 $32,500 Nov 28/15
Average 82,375 $27,622
I know fleabay prices may tend to be lower and not reflect the true market, but it's the only real data of any consistent quantity that there is access to for selling prices. Hoping it's of some interest for everyone.
Coupe Manual
Yr Typ Mileage Sold For Date
90 C2 146,963 $22,500 Jan 02/15
90 C2 127,000 $35,000 Jan 18/15
92 C2 84,300 $39,000 Jan 18/15
90 C4 114,000 $31,600 Mar 13/15
90 C2 125,911 $39,000 Mar 17/15
89 C4 53,500 $44,205 Mar 22/15
91 C4 68,575 $40,000 Apr 03/15
89 C4 74,423 $42,900 Apr 27/15
89 C4 93,700 $34,000 May 03/15
90 C2 212,142 $35,950 May 20/15
90 C2 86,756 $39,350 May 23/15
93 C4 77,000 $40,999 May 24/15
91 C2 66,000 $30,100 Jul 19/15
92 C2 150,000 $31,000 Sep 25/15
90 C2 86,600 $39,500 Oct 02/15
89 C4 79,767 $33,100 Oct 18/15
90 C2 97,871 $32,500 Oct 23/15
90 C2 114,300 $38,258 Nov 08/15
91 C4 95,000 $45,000 Nov 17/15
90 C2 77,948 $36,995 Nov 26/15
93 C2 77,378 $48,500 Dec 01/15
89 C4 89,454 $37,100 Dec 03/15
Average 99,936 $37,116
Coupe Tiptronic
Yr Mileage Sold For Date
94 78,143 $28,000 Jan 13/15
90 111,854 $26,400 Feb 23/15
91 136,855 $25,998 Apr 08/15
93 74,144 $25,500 May 11/15
91 64,069 $25,207 Oct 09/15
91 87,000 $29,200 Oct 17/15
Average 92,011 $26,718
Cab Manual
Yr Typ Mileage Sold For Date
90 C2 88,000 $25,000 Jan 07/15
90 C2 71,541 $39,950 Jan 19/15
91 C4 89,700 $25,000 Jan 25/15
90 C4 83,000 $25,000 Feb 15/15
91 C4 53,230 $35,100 Apr 03/15
92 C2 82,622 $26,600 Apr 13/15
90 C2 65,452 $34,000 Apr 19/15
90 C2 71,814 $37,250 Apr 29/15
90 C2 47,600 $39,990 May 09/15
90 C2 53,500 $41,900 Jun 14/15
91 C2 128,000 $25,100 Jun 30/15
90 C2 140,200 $21,100 Sep 20/15
91 C2 169,000 $28,950 Oct 04/15
92 C2 57,000 $24,201 Oct 10/15
93 C2 49,985 $37,100 Oct 16/15
91 C2 133,198 $25,100 Oct 28/15
91 C2 143,000 $26,100 Oct 31/15
90 C4 41,276 $39,500 Nov 07/15
90 C2 96,500 $26,100 Nov 15/15
90 C4 55,457 $37,700 Dec 05/15
90 C4 102,000 $28,200 Dec 13/15
Average 86,765 $30,902
Cab Tiptronic
Yr Mileage Sold For Date
91 116,605 $17,100 Jan 09/15
90 112,613 $21,890 Jan 04/15
91 98,544 $21,150 Feb 14/15
90 80,263 $26,700 Mar 04/15
90 48,136 $26,750 Apr 09/15
90 37,000 $34,100 Jul 30/15
90 113,519 $30,000 Jul 31/15
90 37,000 $32,100 Aug 07/15
90 127,048 $30,099 Aug 11/15
90 37,000 $34,100 Jul 30/15
91 105,418 $25,000 Oct 08/15
92 70,000 $27,600 Oct 28/15
90 87,734 $32,500 Nov 28/15
Average 82,375 $27,622
12-18-2015, 09:28 AM
#673
Rennlist Member
Agreed thanks for compiling the info but so many factors must be considered as well. Just curious were there no targas for sale or did you not follow them?
I wonder how many of them were sold with accurate mileage on the odo? I recall some of them looking rather questionable for the indicated mileage. I know of a bunch that have sold and the PO's had disconnected the speedo for years and many thousands of miles. Finding sub 100k cars was hard to do i find it surprising so many have less than 100k on the odo you rarely saw any for most of the previous years before the increase in interest.
I wonder how many of them were sold with accurate mileage on the odo? I recall some of them looking rather questionable for the indicated mileage. I know of a bunch that have sold and the PO's had disconnected the speedo for years and many thousands of miles. Finding sub 100k cars was hard to do i find it surprising so many have less than 100k on the odo you rarely saw any for most of the previous years before the increase in interest.
12-18-2015, 01:00 PM
#674
Burning Brakes
Agreed thanks for compiling the info but so many factors must be considered as well. Just curious were there no targas for sale or did you not follow them?
I wonder how many of them were sold with accurate mileage on the odo? I recall some of them looking rather questionable for the indicated mileage. I know of a bunch that have sold and the PO's had disconnected the speedo for years and many thousands of miles. Finding sub 100k cars was hard to do i find it surprising so many have less than 100k on the odo you rarely saw any for most of the previous years before the increase in interest.
I wonder how many of them were sold with accurate mileage on the odo? I recall some of them looking rather questionable for the indicated mileage. I know of a bunch that have sold and the PO's had disconnected the speedo for years and many thousands of miles. Finding sub 100k cars was hard to do i find it surprising so many have less than 100k on the odo you rarely saw any for most of the previous years before the increase in interest.
I can understand cabs having the lower mileage due to seasonal/fair weather use. But I'm skeptical about some of the coupes. The way the market has been in recent years, it's not uncommon to see the same car come up for sale over a year later with the same mileage. Either the cars are just sitting and not being driven or maybe the speedo is being messed with. Both of these situations is not a good thing. Even if the ones that are just sitting are being started up regularly and just idling at operating temperature, this is not good for the air cooled engine.
12-18-2015, 08:07 PM
#675
interesting....the low mileage cars are "more sought after" but the truth is - too low and they may have been not driven and they do ' corrode from the inside out.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?