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Interesting C4. I have never seen the center console like that without the phone and with the AWD buttons which I must assume are hard to come by replacements for.
I wouldn't put the seller in the hall of shame thread but I would carefully inspect their cars. I have looked over some of their original paint cars before and they weren't original although definately show car quality. Very nicely done but the ones I saw weren't as original as claimed.
Look at the C4 widebody doors around the door cards vs the NB car you can see that the NB has the standard black around the door cards vs the WB which is missing it. This IMO warrants further investigation. Not all cars received this although if they had black interior it was standard. My C2 had it with cashmere and amazon so I suspect white and cashmere should as well.
PTS (maybe Fashion Grey?) ‘92 C4 with some special wish options. No price listed.
must say, i love the light gray and sport seats on the C4. if i were looking, i'd be tempted to inquire further on that car. it would be interesting to discover just how many 964s were ever produced in that color - possibly 1 of 1?
with the relatively low mileage, i have to think they're shooting for $150k or more - probably asking more than that.
The dealer said this one is actually Marble Grey and is the only one in this color. I suspect they are asking something ridiculous like $200k+.
I can't deny the quality of their inventory, but I struggle to take them seriously with ad copy that looks like it was written by a failed romantic novelist:
"This dashingly distinguishing RS . . . features a roll bar along with other immensely desirable and alluring equipment . . . boasts an absolutely idyllic DME reading of 0 in all 6 ranges . . . Expelling a ravishingly ridiculous yet sonorously seductive soundtrack . . . that would be the last preeminent purveyor of prominent pendulum dynamism comprised of a svelte front track"
I have to assume they know it's kitschy and enjoy the laugh ?
I looked at that car for someone a while back but he found a lower mileage 90 he purchased instead. Very few 94's my records say only 21 actual 94 targa produce for the US, But only Porsche knows for sure and I have 0 made in 94 for RoW. At The rate Singer is chopping these up as well as the coupes there will be very few remaining. I have a total of 1033 US spec C2/C4 targas for US and Canada and an additional 2294 for RoW market I would say they are relatively rare.
Yep that was me. It's TMU, and had a few things that came up in the PPI – something just felt off to me (and you were super helpful in helping me figure that out ). If someone is interested in this car shoot me a message.
Anthony,
Porsche got away from Black interior Door paint in 1993-1994 models. See these two examples. 1992 model verses 1993 model. All 92 964 models have the black paint.
As we know Porsche cut down major production time in 1993 with the use of less seam sealer and black trim paint on RS America and Speedster models. Plus speciality models.
Anthony,
Porsche got away from Black interior Door paint in 1993-1994 models. See these two examples. 1992 model verses 1993 model. All 92 964 models have the black paint.
As we know Porsche cut down major production time in 1993 with the use of less seam sealer and black trim paint on RS America and Speedster models. Plus speciality models.
It’s an interesting observation, Scott.
My 94 RSA (late in the production run, just a few units prior to wrapping up RSA production) does not have the black interior door paint mentioned, although a number of RSAs on BAT have the black interior door paint. I would have to go back and look to see if those were MY93 or MY94.
My 94 RSA (late in the production run, just a few units prior to wrapping up RSA production) does not have the black interior door paint mentioned, although a number of RSAs on BAT have the black interior door paint. I would have to go back and look to see if those were MY93 or MY94.
I think my 94 was the 10th to last one - I wonder how close yours is to mine considering the color?
Anthony,
Porsche got away from Black interior Door paint in 1993-1994 models. See these two examples. 1992 model verses 1993 model. All 92 964 models have the black paint.
As we know Porsche cut down major production time in 1993 with the use of less seam sealer and black trim paint on RS America and Speedster models. Plus speciality models.
Scott,
Both my 93 C2 and 94 turbo have it along with my 90 and 91. At least they did. I just worked on a 96 993TT and it had it as well. AFAIK this is a dead giveaway fo paintwork at least with black interiors. My friends 94 red RSA had it and just about every 93 and 94 I have come across has it. I also know of a 94 Midnight RSA that has it. I do know that by 94 Porsche started painting some of the wheel wells black to keep the color from showing. They did drop the crinkle paint inside the frunk and painted it smooth with clear. By the time the 993 came along the color was added smooth and no clear.
I have been documenting what I find. It is these little things that help me to determine a cars originality. However I can say that every now and again I have come across a car that doesn't quite meet the bill but is factory.
I was looking over my C2 which I know is accident free. I DA'd the rear quarter panel and it was clearly all original yet the welds I usually look at aren't as uniform as I am accustomed to seeing. No matter what I do I can't come up with rhyme or reason for the anomaly but it happens. So when I say this is something I don't expect to see it just warrants further investigation. I will say of every 964 I found no black paint when I expected to see it after removing door cards found the doors had been painted or worse repalced.
I suspect that every car these guys sell has been refreshed at a min. I wa looking at their mint green AR and they claimed all original paint. Yet it was missing the black around the door cards. Had painted plugs on the back deck lid, the rockers weren't painted black down below and there were several other things that stood out to me that they claimed were original. With the miles and 0 stone chips or marks without having full PPF I highly doubt it.
My issue isn't if the car is good or not. The question is originality. When originality is claimed when obviously isn't the case, I find that not much is as claimed.
Clearly lowered. Non original wheels. Mud flaps added. Clear corners, Lower valance rockers and lower rear bumper painted body color. Car was exported and then imported back. Most all cars exported I know of had the side repeaters installed with rear euro bumper. As you can see this has rear bumper but no side repeaters. iIRC no orange peel.
Assuming the car is painted like I suspect. The shop did an A1 job. The issue is I know of some amazing body shops that know how to paint. The difference is they don't understand restoration which is a far more complicated than painting a car properly. It is the little things that show. Like I said a gorgeous car in a rare color But IMO not original.
Heavily modified Guards Red Japanese market 964 RS. Has a 993 RSR 3.8 motor, a G50/30 Cup 6 speed transmission, and lots of carbon fiber body panels. Also lots of other stuff, but too much to list. Car is priced at $325k.
02-20-2023, 08:31 AM
). If someone is interested in this car shoot me a message.
