928s for Sale
08-20-2021, 01:14 PM
#9181
I think mention of wider rear track being an option in previous model years ties it all together for me then, they must have just made the option standard equipment with the s4s, which is why it doesnt show up on my options list, but is on the window sticker. Thanks!
08-20-2021, 02:09 PM
#9182
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As said in previous posts, all 928s, from the very first to the very last, have the "Weissach" rear suspension. It is not a true 4-wheel steering system where the wheels articulate when you turn the steering wheel. It is simply a geometric configuration of the control arms and bushings that cause slight toe-in to reduce lift throttle oversteer. It was innovative at the time of the first 928, but lots of cars today with independent rear suspension deploy a similar concept.
My original point above was that Keith Martin didn't know that his 928 S4 has 4-Wheel-Steering. He certainly didn't know to advertise it.
I'll go further and say that not all 928 owners know that they have 4-Wheel-Steering on their sharks, and that's why they don't know to list it as a feature when they put their 928s up for sale.
Same goes for S4 models having front and rear stabilizer bars. Sellers don't list those because they don't know that their car has them.
Same again for the adjustable dead pedal for the driver. Owners don't even know that they have this feature on their 928. In Keith's case, he's selling an S4 Automatic without also mentioning that his car has the new, stronger (larger by 3mm) torque converter.
If you want to promote the 928, then get the word out about the cool features on this car!
Owners who don't know about these 928 features are being silly by pretending that there are valid reasons to not mention them in For Sale ads. Come on, they just didn't know to mention them. Don't be like that. Promote the 928!
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08-20-2021, 02:18 PM
#9183
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I think mention of wider rear track being an option in previous model years ties it all together for me then, they must have just made the option standard equipment with the s4s, which is why it doesnt show up on my options list, but is on the window sticker. Thannks!
I think mention of wider rear track being an option in previous model years ties it all together for me then, they must have just made the option standard equipment with the s4s, which is why it doesnt show up on my options list, but is on the window sticker. Thannks!
For later than that, this is pretty accurate (not accurate for early Phone Dials)
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08-20-2021, 02:31 PM
#9184
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I get your point, was just having a little fun w/it.
Last edited by Jadz928; 08-20-2021 at 02:37 PM.
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08-20-2021, 03:43 PM
#9185
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The 928's 4-Wheel-Steering is a mechanical control system (via negative feedback loop) that automatically turns the rear wheels in certain known oversteer conditions. It's easily as technically-significant as a car having fuel injection instead of a carburetor, even though lots of cars today deploy such.
My original point above was that Keith Martin didn't know that his 928 S4 has 4-Wheel-Steering. He certainly didn't know to advertise it.
I'll go further and say that not all 928 owners know that they have 4-Wheel-Steering on their sharks, and that's why they don't know to list it as a feature when they put their 928s up for sale.
Same goes for S4 models having front and rear stabilizer bars. Sellers don't list those because they don't know that their car has them.
Same again for the adjustable dead pedal for the driver. Owners don't even know that they have this feature on their 928. In Keith's case, he's selling an S4 Automatic without also mentioning that his car has the new, stronger (larger by 3mm) torque converter.
If you want to promote the 928, then get the word out about the cool features on this car!
Owners who don't know about these 928 features are being silly by pretending that there are valid reasons to not mention them in For Sale ads. Come on, they just didn't know to mention them. Don't be like that. Promote the 928!
My original point above was that Keith Martin didn't know that his 928 S4 has 4-Wheel-Steering. He certainly didn't know to advertise it.
I'll go further and say that not all 928 owners know that they have 4-Wheel-Steering on their sharks, and that's why they don't know to list it as a feature when they put their 928s up for sale.
Same goes for S4 models having front and rear stabilizer bars. Sellers don't list those because they don't know that their car has them.
Same again for the adjustable dead pedal for the driver. Owners don't even know that they have this feature on their 928. In Keith's case, he's selling an S4 Automatic without also mentioning that his car has the new, stronger (larger by 3mm) torque converter.
If you want to promote the 928, then get the word out about the cool features on this car!
Owners who don't know about these 928 features are being silly by pretending that there are valid reasons to not mention them in For Sale ads. Come on, they just didn't know to mention them. Don't be like that. Promote the 928!
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08-21-2021, 12:18 AM
#9186
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I'd be curious to know how many 928 owners actually know what features they have on their cars, and if they would choose to omit major 928 features from their ads. In the end, each owner is free to custom tailor their own ads, of course. My comments were directed at the ad itself instead of the car listed in the ad.
Keith Martin's 928 S4 looks good. I'm casting no shade on it. I expect him to score at or above his $53k. And in my opinion, he would have scored even more with a more inclusive ad. I itemized specifics above of what he could have included rather than simply make a generic comment.
Last edited by no doubt; 08-21-2021 at 12:19 AM.
08-21-2021, 02:07 AM
#9187
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I think Keith is stroking his own coin. But it wouldn't surprise me on BaT, because their is a lot of stroking that happens there.
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08-21-2021, 10:17 AM
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I'd be curious to know how many 928 owners actually know what features they have on their cars, and if they would choose to omit major 928 features from their ads. In the end, each owner is free to custom tailor their own ads, of course. My comments were directed at the ad itself instead of the car listed in the ad.
Keith Martin's 928 S4 looks good. I'm casting no shade on it. I expect him to score at or above his $53k. And in my opinion, he would have scored even more with a more inclusive ad. I itemized specifics above of what he could have included rather than simply make a generic comment.
I'd be curious to know how many 928 owners actually know what features they have on their cars, and if they would choose to omit major 928 features from their ads. In the end, each owner is free to custom tailor their own ads, of course. My comments were directed at the ad itself instead of the car listed in the ad.
Keith Martin's 928 S4 looks good. I'm casting no shade on it. I expect him to score at or above his $53k. And in my opinion, he would have scored even more with a more inclusive ad. I itemized specifics above of what he could have included rather than simply make a generic comment.
Back to for sale cars then?
08-21-2021, 11:55 AM
#9189
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My point is I don't think you know what you are talking about. Your description of the Weissach axle is not only incomprehensible, but wrong. And calling it out specifically in a for sale ad is silly. Nobody does that. It doesn't mean we don't know what features our cars have. It means we know them and we know what is critical to point out and what is not. Anybody looking for a 928 already has done at least some basic level of research, and knows that the special geomatry of the Weissach exists. I would assume with very strong evidence that Keith Martin knows more about selling cars and what is important than 99.9% of us, including you.
Back to for sale cars then?
Back to for sale cars then?
Sarcasm aside, I'm more of an Occam's Razor guy. If a seller knows what his car has, then he lists it in his ad. Life is more simple in my world.
In my world, if I'm selling an Automatic car and want 5-speed manual prices, then I point out to potential buyers that my model 928 has the stronger torque converter (3mm larger center shaft) because that's relevant to an Automatic 928 as well as unlikely to be known by many potential buyers unless I... gasp... tell them.
But hey, painted mirror caps. You tell 'em.
08-21-2021, 02:42 PM
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You folks think the seller gets to write the description of the car on BaT? Or even edit it very much?
08-21-2021, 03:02 PM
#9191
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08-21-2021, 05:24 PM
#9193
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and I’ve spent the better part of the day trying to adjust my dead pedal (I’m dense, that was a pretty good tell).
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08-21-2021, 06:13 PM
#9194
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Jokes aside, our sharks actually do have adjustable dead pedals.
The Central Warning brain is mounted to the underside of the 928's adjustable footrest. The dead pedal is the same AFAIK up to '89, and is adjustable both fore/aft at the base and for angle. The plate with three holes above my thumb engages with a pin welded to a bracket on the floor -- that's fore/aft position. The holes and slot in the tab at the other end, and the slot in the side of the unit(near top of pic) all allow you to adjust the angle. If you're happy with the initial position of your dead pedal, carefully note which mounting holes are used top & bottom before taking it all the way out.
The CW brain is held to the underside of the dead pedal with three locknuts: Two above my thumb in the pic above, and one visible in the pic below. The connectors are color-coded for easy reassembly.
There are a total of eight places where the aluminum casing is bent into recesses in the plastic faceplate to keep it all together.
https://members.rennlist.com/sharksk...akeWarning.htm
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08-22-2021, 12:44 PM
#9195
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Every 928 was a Weissach rear axle - that is one of the defining characteristics of a 928, and not an option. It is part of it's DNA. Nobody ever lists that in a for sale ad. At least that I've ever seen. Also, a Weissach is not the same as a widened rear axle. The GTS pushed out the rears, although I do not know if that was just tires or a wider track at the axle.