Gain 100HP with an intake manifold change?? - Cross post from Ferrari Chat
03-26-2016, 03:10 AM
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Yes!
Regardless of how insigificant and mundane Kibort thinks it is....finally being able to make real, reliable, repeatable, no "hoops" to jump through to dyno it, anybody's dyno can measure it because the "tightest" dyno Greg can find on the planet confirms it, no bullsh!t, no excuses, 500hp out of a naturally aspirated 928 street engine is going to be a great step forward, in my mind.
Wait until you see what we do with it. It's going to knock your socks off!
Regardless of how insigificant and mundane Kibort thinks it is....finally being able to make real, reliable, repeatable, no "hoops" to jump through to dyno it, anybody's dyno can measure it because the "tightest" dyno Greg can find on the planet confirms it, no bullsh!t, no excuses, 500hp out of a naturally aspirated 928 street engine is going to be a great step forward, in my mind.
Wait until you see what we do with it. It's going to knock your socks off!
03-26-2016, 04:05 PM
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Although not yet April fools day .....the Salsbury 4850 D has clearly pointed out that "debating" with Kibort is pointless..... not because he is right or just or honorable simple so self immersed that it matters little what anyone else posts . And MOST IMPORTANT always has to make the last post 
since in his mind the last post WINS !!!
since in his mind the last post WINS !!!I just bolted this on. seems to give an extra 50hp.. going to the village dyno where the oerators change the weights of the drums so it produces 15 % more power!
Jim, you seem to be on the same agry medicine that Imo000 is on. I dont know where you got that this is going to be easy. we know gregs intake will be done right, MY ONLY point is that we might be able to cobble something together that works. (albeit not as well)
I haven't got a CLUE if there is enough room for the stock 'U', but, im hopeful, not sure, we can make something work
03-26-2016, 04:18 PM
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can you post what the salsbury 4850 looks like ?
I just bolted this on. seems to give an extra 50hp.. going to the village dyno where the oerators change the weights of the drums so it produces 15 % more power!
Jim, you seem to be on the same agry medicine that Imo000 is on. I dont know where you got that this is going to be easy. we know gregs intake will be done right, MY ONLY point is that we might be able to cobble something together that works. (albeit not as well)
I haven't got a CLUE if there is enough room for the stock 'U', but, im hopeful, not sure, we can make something work
I just bolted this on. seems to give an extra 50hp.. going to the village dyno where the oerators change the weights of the drums so it produces 15 % more power!
Jim, you seem to be on the same agry medicine that Imo000 is on. I dont know where you got that this is going to be easy. we know gregs intake will be done right, MY ONLY point is that we might be able to cobble something together that works. (albeit not as well)
I haven't got a CLUE if there is enough room for the stock 'U', but, im hopeful, not sure, we can make something work
Mark, it's really sad you don't get this entire intake manifold "thing"....on so many different levels.
I'm tempted to buy you a Salsbury 4850D plenum, just so you can start working on it and see how difficult this whole proposition actually is.
03-26-2016, 05:03 PM
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No anger on my part just observations, comments about behavior, level of understanding, social skills and misleading statements. Oh and Carl gets $1,925 for his intake runners which blows a big hole in your projected budget.....
03-26-2016, 05:34 PM
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Yes!
Regardless of how insigificant and mundane Kibort thinks it is....finally being able to make real, reliable, repeatable, no "hoops" to jump through to dyno it, anybody's dyno can measure it because the "tightest" dyno Greg can find on the planet confirms it, no bullsh!t, no excuses, 500hp out of a naturally aspirated 928 street engine is going to be a great step forward, in my mind.
Wait until you see what we do with it. It's going to knock your socks off!
Regardless of how insigificant and mundane Kibort thinks it is....finally being able to make real, reliable, repeatable, no "hoops" to jump through to dyno it, anybody's dyno can measure it because the "tightest" dyno Greg can find on the planet confirms it, no bullsh!t, no excuses, 500hp out of a naturally aspirated 928 street engine is going to be a great step forward, in my mind.
Wait until you see what we do with it. It's going to knock your socks off!
No, I'm saying that components need to be carefully chosen so that they all work together.
Mark and Joseph used an 044 pump with a stock regulator. I have no idea what the stock S4 regulator return flow rate is, but it seems to work fine on many cars.
However, when making wholesale changes in basic design, the position of the stock regulator becomes problematic.....there's no room for it where it originally was located. Also, the plumbing needs to change. There's boatloads of different ways to solve this problem....move the stock regulator somewhere else, use a more modern regulator, are just a couple of options.
Right now, we have not sent the fuel rail final design off to have them made...so we can do any number of things....and those details need to be considered.
Mark and Joseph used an 044 pump with a stock regulator. I have no idea what the stock S4 regulator return flow rate is, but it seems to work fine on many cars.
However, when making wholesale changes in basic design, the position of the stock regulator becomes problematic.....there's no room for it where it originally was located. Also, the plumbing needs to change. There's boatloads of different ways to solve this problem....move the stock regulator somewhere else, use a more modern regulator, are just a couple of options.
Right now, we have not sent the fuel rail final design off to have them made...so we can do any number of things....and those details need to be considered.
and i have done some non -conventional changes, especially with the 5 liter euro set ups on the 2 valvers. instead of buying two expensive regulators as i had on my version, i would just clamp off the return line on the other regulator and use the adjustable to control pressure. it seemed to work. but we are only talking 290rwhp here, not 500. but still, taking something that was normally putting 175rwhp and gaining 115rwhp, is a pretty good achievement in my book. Not the optimal Greg Brown way of doing things, but still works and was safe.
03-26-2016, 05:38 PM
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I think its you that really has a lack of understanding, especially in the racing areas. that is for sure.
social skills? really, have you read some of your posts? the ones where you say, you "pity" me.. Jim, seriously. do some sole searching and figure out what is making you so angry.
LOTS of projection going on here Jim!
Nothing ive ever said on the subject is fact Jim, they are just ideas. thats all. want to see if its possible, if it isnt, then we will all have to buy $12k intakes to take advangage of the gains by removing the stock intake.
03-26-2016, 05:44 PM
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03-26-2016, 05:51 PM
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"On exactly what engine and where is this supposed to fit? Because it sure as he!! doesn't fit this one!
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03-26-2016, 05:53 PM
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I have no clue or experience here and wouldnt take a chance on making one myself. Heck, look at Andresons experience with the CF intake.. that thing was basically a prototype. heck, it even "Breathed" like a reptile! it cracked at road america, right and leaned out a cylinder and toasted an engine.
Ive VERY scared of this stuff. Now that i think about the money and work of putting the stroker in, to gain 50hp, maybe another 50-75 is worth double my share of the "lists" motor on my car!
03-26-2016, 06:52 PM
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Finally something that everyone who has suffered through this thread can agree on !! Sure would have saved time if you had simply posted this FIRST !! Yet given the above you tried to establish a price point ????? stick with what you know.
03-26-2016, 07:32 PM
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I just bolted the BMW stuff on and it ran fine!
I have no clue or experience here and wouldnt take a chance on making one myself. Heck, look at Andresons experience with the CF intake.. that thing was basically a prototype. heck, it even "Breathed" like a reptile! it cracked at road america, right and leaned out a cylinder and toasted an engine.
Ive VERY scared of this stuff. Now that i think about the money and work of putting the stroker in, to gain 50hp, maybe another 50-75 is worth double my share of the "lists" motor on my car!
I have no clue or experience here and wouldnt take a chance on making one myself. Heck, look at Andresons experience with the CF intake.. that thing was basically a prototype. heck, it even "Breathed" like a reptile! it cracked at road america, right and leaned out a cylinder and toasted an engine.
Ive VERY scared of this stuff. Now that i think about the money and work of putting the stroker in, to gain 50hp, maybe another 50-75 is worth double my share of the "lists" motor on my car!
Yes, you will need to upgrade to an 044 fuel pump.
Yes, it will require an "Alpha N" system and some tuning....but I'll have "base tuning" for a 6.5 liter engine that will be very close, before I send it.
Yes, you will have to add in a wideband O2 sensor system, for tuning purposes....I'll even loan you that.
If your current attitude is here to stay and you stay calm, I think I might be able to bribe Jim Corenman and Rob Edwards (with some good wine for Jim and a couple new scrub brushes for Rob to work on Minerva), to help tune your car over a cell phone "hot spot".
Fair 'nough?
03-26-2016, 08:56 PM
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03-26-2016, 09:07 PM
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As to the intakes, if Carl produced one that was kissed by God himself, gave us 200 HP on a 4.5 I'd still not touch it.