'77 ('78) Porsche 928, "Number Six", Preproduction Press Car (Updated 3-18-13)
05-01-2011, 09:38 AM
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Thanks Chuck.
It's a great thread for me to follow too! ^^^^^
05-22-2011, 10:06 PM
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Update from May vacation in Michigan
Had a great time visiting family and hanging with 928 friends at 928's Down on the Farm.
I enjoyed time with my family so much that I really didn't get much done on Number 6.
However, got the LBJ's done (with the help of BigAl, thanks man!), and replaced the FP.
Finally, was able to drive the car for the first time!
Six rolled down the road and shifted, which was great, but seemed to not be getting fuel under load. Didn't get very far.
Not too long after, found a fuel leak near the tank, so decided to get very systematic with the fuel system. The tank came down.
There's a bit of work to be done back there to include some non-stock emissions compliant equipment, ca. 1992, to include a poorly plumbed fuel filter.
So all this has to get fixed, and that is where I left it. Will get into system and control pressures following that.
Also, figured out an interesting puzzle (with the help of my #6 assistant). Will post on that next.
Here's some pics....
(a few more interesting early car things, click on thumbs for larger pic)
No rear sunvisors
Headlamp washers have extra hole from when larger 911 style washers were used
door marker cutout looks to have be done by hand, no impression like later cars
I enjoyed time with my family so much that I really didn't get much done on Number 6.
However, got the LBJ's done (with the help of BigAl, thanks man!), and replaced the FP.
Finally, was able to drive the car for the first time!
Six rolled down the road and shifted, which was great, but seemed to not be getting fuel under load. Didn't get very far.
Not too long after, found a fuel leak near the tank, so decided to get very systematic with the fuel system. The tank came down.
There's a bit of work to be done back there to include some non-stock emissions compliant equipment, ca. 1992, to include a poorly plumbed fuel filter.
So all this has to get fixed, and that is where I left it. Will get into system and control pressures following that.
Also, figured out an interesting puzzle (with the help of my #6 assistant). Will post on that next.
Here's some pics....
(a few more interesting early car things, click on thumbs for larger pic)
No rear sunvisors
Headlamp washers have extra hole from when larger 911 style washers were used
door marker cutout looks to have be done by hand, no impression like later cars
Last edited by Jadz928; 02-03-2012 at 05:50 PM.
05-22-2011, 11:20 PM
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If you had a hot scantily clad 21 year old model with that first new pic of your car we would have a calendar month pic FOR SURE!!! Looking good Jim! Keep up the great work my friend!
05-23-2011, 12:22 AM
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Question?
Did Auto Motor und Sport get a hold of a 928 before the press launch in late February '77?
The reason for this question has to do with timing, and stemmed from an early interior shot which shows plaid 911 seats were used?
We know the last press car was finished February 22, just in time to get shipped to France for the press launch.
We know that it came down to the wire to get them finished, as stated in Excellence was Expected:
We know Recaro finished the pasha seats just in time as well (stamped 11 Feb 1977).
Here's where it gets tricky...
The Motor Review article appears to have pictures from different photoshoots, where some time elapsed.
There's some pics with a rear wiper, some without.
Some with foglamp trim bezel, some without.
Then there's the pics showing #6 with what appears to be the shape of a proper 928 seat - the ones where it was with the other Porsches.
All very confusing.
So the other day, Nick my #6 Assistant, asked me where the front tow hook installs?
I showed him where you pop out the cap on the front bumper cover.
Following that, he commented how some early pics of #6 show the cap missing.
That is when it hit me....
There were pictures taken of Number Six before it left for France, before it was finished!
So far as, it had to be towed into position for the photoshoot, for at least one of them.
It may not have been running when this pic was taken. May have had its engine, may not have.
Might explain why I have engine number 26, instead of 21.
More than likely was sporting the 911 seats at that time.
So you might ask...
Could some of those early photos be Porsche stock photos?
Maybe. Although the Auto Motor und Sport attributes the photos in the article to Seufert.
The magazine is also Stuttgart based, so they may have stopped by anytime Porsche gave them a call.
Based on the intimacy of some of the pics, and their historical affinity for all things Porsche... it is clear they have a close relationship.
Did Seufert photograph for Porsche?
So more questions than answers, but a really enjoyed thinking through this one.
Thanks for reading!
PS. Feel free to look over the article and tell me what you think!
Might be worth noting there may be some tip-off in the text of which a can't read, nor have I translated.
The reason for this question has to do with timing, and stemmed from an early interior shot which shows plaid 911 seats were used?
We know the last press car was finished February 22, just in time to get shipped to France for the press launch.
We know that it came down to the wire to get them finished, as stated in Excellence was Expected:
Since production had not yet started, many provisional pieces had to be used in those cars, especially the interiors.
The rush to get them finished was reminiscent of the readying of the first 917's for their homologation review.
Finally, though, the cars were completed - the day before the tests began.
The rush to get them finished was reminiscent of the readying of the first 917's for their homologation review.
Finally, though, the cars were completed - the day before the tests began.
Here's where it gets tricky...
The Motor Review article appears to have pictures from different photoshoots, where some time elapsed.
There's some pics with a rear wiper, some without.
Some with foglamp trim bezel, some without.
Then there's the pics showing #6 with what appears to be the shape of a proper 928 seat - the ones where it was with the other Porsches.
All very confusing.
So the other day, Nick my #6 Assistant, asked me where the front tow hook installs?
I showed him where you pop out the cap on the front bumper cover.
Following that, he commented how some early pics of #6 show the cap missing.
That is when it hit me....
There were pictures taken of Number Six before it left for France, before it was finished!
So far as, it had to be towed into position for the photoshoot, for at least one of them.
It may not have been running when this pic was taken. May have had its engine, may not have.
Might explain why I have engine number 26, instead of 21.
More than likely was sporting the 911 seats at that time.
So you might ask...
Could some of those early photos be Porsche stock photos?
Maybe. Although the Auto Motor und Sport attributes the photos in the article to Seufert.
The magazine is also Stuttgart based, so they may have stopped by anytime Porsche gave them a call.
Based on the intimacy of some of the pics, and their historical affinity for all things Porsche... it is clear they have a close relationship.
Did Seufert photograph for Porsche?
So more questions than answers, but a really enjoyed thinking through this one.
Thanks for reading!
PS. Feel free to look over the article and tell me what you think!
Might be worth noting there may be some tip-off in the text of which a can't read, nor have I translated.
Last edited by Jadz928; 03-03-2012 at 09:49 AM.
05-23-2011, 01:24 AM
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I don't think that plate is the tow hook cover... Not on any of my cars anyway...though this car is a different breed. ALL my cars have the tow hook screw in on the passenger side of the radiator opening...
05-23-2011, 06:50 AM
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It looks like a non stock fule filter. The older cars did not have door markers. Either the door is not the original or someone cut a hole. I also believe at one point the headlight washers were optional. I had one front bumper cover with no holes for the washers.
The lack of power is probably due to a dirty Warm Up Regular. There are some small holes that get plugged up when the car sits a long time. it is possible to repair and clean the WUR.
The lack of power is probably due to a dirty Warm Up Regular. There are some small holes that get plugged up when the car sits a long time. it is possible to repair and clean the WUR.
05-23-2011, 09:15 AM
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See the passenger door has a production look to it, with the door marker having a painted cutout edge, and tooling deboss.
This side was most likely replaced because Joe Rusz put a big hole in it at the press launch.
So the factory cut a hole in the driver side to match? Those Germans and their need for symmetry.
Keep in mind, the factory had the car until Oct. 1978.
PS. The fuel tank must've been replaced as well, with a tank wearing a '78 date stamp on it.
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05-24-2011, 05:48 AM
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The early tank had a top bracket mounted to the car. Later tanks - and I think most of the changes were made in 1980 - had an aluminum bracket as part of the tank. This was attached to the car with a cap screw accessable through the gas filler door.
07-11-2011, 08:43 AM
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JPTL gave me this nice 1:43 scale model by Solido which reminded him of #6. Thanks JP!
Reason for posting here is because I found it interesting the model is marked with a 6/77 build date.
Also found it interesting the model was made in France. Same country as the 928 press launch, a couple months earlier.
Reason for posting here is because I found it interesting the model is marked with a 6/77 build date.
Also found it interesting the model was made in France. Same country as the 928 press launch, a couple months earlier.
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07-11-2011, 10:41 AM
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07-11-2011, 10:46 AM
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Unless they weighed it down somehow, the front end would be sitting up much higher if it was engine-less (like in Risky Business, right before the U-boat goes into Lake Michigan). Or, as you suggest, it might have had a different engine in it that perhaps suffered a problem?
07-11-2011, 11:03 AM
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It would be so cool if Solido used #6 as the reference for their models.
A little Solido provenance (Nicole could correct me if I'm wrong):
The first run like yours was #49. I have a yellow OB that is a Solido "HiFi". That one appears to be 10 years newer and is #1505. They also made a GT in only one color that I'm aware of: metallic brown & that number is #1525. Solido did a nice job of scaling these to pretty accurate proportions; adding the GT spoiler & getting the wheels to look right for the corresponding years. I believe that the die castings are the same for all models.
Later on they made an OB that was less detailed & didn't look nearly as good as the earlier models: #1336.
I always liked the Solido models. My first one was a Ferrari when I was about 5. One of my little buddies managed to get it into his toy box.
A little Solido provenance (Nicole could correct me if I'm wrong):
The first run like yours was #49. I have a yellow OB that is a Solido "HiFi". That one appears to be 10 years newer and is #1505. They also made a GT in only one color that I'm aware of: metallic brown & that number is #1525. Solido did a nice job of scaling these to pretty accurate proportions; adding the GT spoiler & getting the wheels to look right for the corresponding years. I believe that the die castings are the same for all models.
Later on they made an OB that was less detailed & didn't look nearly as good as the earlier models: #1336.
I always liked the Solido models. My first one was a Ferrari when I was about 5. One of my little buddies managed to get it into his toy box.
07-11-2011, 11:39 AM
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It would be so cool if Solido used #6 as the reference for their models.
A little Solido provenance (Nicole could correct me if I'm wrong):
The first run like yours was #49. I have a yellow OB that is a Solido "HiFi". That one appears to be 10 years newer and is #1505. They also made a GT in only one color that I'm aware of: metallic brown & that number is #1525. Solido did a nice job of scaling these to pretty accurate proportions; adding the GT spoiler & getting the wheels to look right for the corresponding years. I believe that the die castings are the same for all models.
Later on they made an OB that was less detailed & didn't look nearly as good as the earlier models: #1336.
I always liked the Solido models. My first one was a Ferrari when I was about 5. One of my little buddies managed to get it into his toy box.
A little Solido provenance (Nicole could correct me if I'm wrong):
The first run like yours was #49. I have a yellow OB that is a Solido "HiFi". That one appears to be 10 years newer and is #1505. They also made a GT in only one color that I'm aware of: metallic brown & that number is #1525. Solido did a nice job of scaling these to pretty accurate proportions; adding the GT spoiler & getting the wheels to look right for the corresponding years. I believe that the die castings are the same for all models.
Later on they made an OB that was less detailed & didn't look nearly as good as the earlier models: #1336.
I always liked the Solido models. My first one was a Ferrari when I was about 5. One of my little buddies managed to get it into his toy box.
Do any of the other Solido 928 models have side markers of any kind?
Because model #49, just like my early car, has none.
07-11-2011, 01:48 PM
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Okay, sorry to hijack... but I fould something interesting while searching on Detriot CraigsList! IDK if this guy just doesnt know what he is talking about or what?
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/2406746262.html
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