hacker-pschorr

I love the fact that my track car runs on 87 octain. Thought Mark would feel the same since he is on a budget. Gas isn't cheap at the track.

Bitch? Easy to say from your computer knowing nothing about the specific details about what is going on. Instead of asking, you act like a spoiled child taking his ball and going home.

I'm sorry if the last 4 hours Tim, Todd and I spent talking about what we could do in order to make sure Mark ends up with the best motor possible, did not end in the results you wanted. I'll consult you next time - what is your number, so the next conference call we have about this project, we can include you.

Should I share with you what Todd charges per hour and take that out of the motor fund? We would be in debt considering the amount if time he has poured into this project. And all you can do is bitch and moan we are not using the "proper" pistons.

Running a stroker crank, rods........oh yea, 100% Porsche there.
Who said he isn't going to?

Hey, maybe it is the right thing to do. It's just not what was originally put forth.[/QUOTE]

Larry928GTS

And how many miles does Greg Gray have on those Mahle pistons now? Is it more than herr Kuhn has on the three nikasil engines he's done, or more than the miles Joe Fan has on his nikasil stroker motor track car?

I thought option 5 was Matt continues to play armchair quarterback and talk about stuff that he has no direct experience with.

FlyingDog

Again......and again...

hacker-pschorr

$5k? The engine is $7,500. Go back to post number 1 please.

Andre Hedrick

I could write a blank check to cover the cost solo if I wanted. The ego part is based on seeing people flame back and forth this early in the project.

Just place me on the ignore list if needed.

Cheers,

mark kibort

Do you or anyone really want to put a 6 liter with 9:1 compression in the holbert car? especally after we know what that would probably make as far as power (350rwhp ish)
I think most, even myself, didnt realize what the risks were up front and now, based on what we all know, some changes needed to be made.

I think if we can make some changes, and make this the right motor to start with, later mods can be made for even more HP. where does it all end? at andersons level? CF intake, dry sump, acid dip the chassis, remount all the supsension components, Motons, F50 brakes, etc etc. One thing ive learned in this racing gig, is that the incrental costs go up linearly, whle lap times go down much slower.

If i can get 400rwhp, it would make the car competitive with amost any car ive faced, especially at Laguna seca! after that there maybe issues with other components that need to be strengthened and changed to realize the full potential of the new found power. I still have stock S4 brakes. they are driven almost to the limit now. how much more speed can they take before they become inadaquate?

So the point is, the engine as Tim said, was designed for supercharging. The list got behind a "make the Hobert car go faster and put down the VRL vipers that show up at race day." The fact that the Tim and the team are understanding the reality of the situation is a show of class, because if they wanted to, certainly they wouldnt be blamed for just dropping the 6 liter on my front doorstep for me to deal with.

Keep in mind, we all want this to be a successful transplant and one we all can be proud of.

MK

hacker-pschorr

The fact that Tim has pretty much written a blank check = to his time helping Mark obtain the best engine possible, and still we are met with "Waaa, BoooHooo, that is not how I would do it" pisses me off.

Hell, I pissed off 75% of the local PCA chapter last week. Guess the 928 Rennlist group is my target this week.

hacker-pschorr

While we are at it - maybe Todd could make you a custom 3:09 rear end - that would be the ultimate weapon in catching those Vipers.

Andre Hedrick

Erik,

Good point that Tim is posting labor for free. As for the `"Waaa, BoooHooo, that is not how I would do it"` crowd, just ask them where is your race car?

As for differing opinions, all input is valued and gleened for the good stuff and the remainder placed to the side. I am not an expert on motors, just a techno-geek and astronomer.

Remember we are all guys and have TM's, and there is nothing to cure it.

Cheers,

FlyingDog

Hahaha... you chase John Kuhn off Rennlist for being a fraud then you cite him for engine design. What's his new engine using? That's right, stock Alusil.

I don't think Greg has any. How many miles are on all 928s? Oh that's right Mahle forgot how to make pistons for Alusil blocks since the 928. How many miles on Cayennes? Oops that's a truck, not a sports car. How many miles on M5s? Gee, that's a BMW, not a Porsche. Keep making up excuses.
$5k+ is what was raised. Still having trouble with the reading thing? Less exhaust fumes, more beer.No, need. Unlike some people, I believe you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.I know somebody who will sell you one...This is not how I would do it versus how you want to do it. This is what you said the money was for versus what you're doing with the money. If anybody had actually read what I was typing instead going into a Roloesque "He's not with us, so he's against us" retard mode, you'd see that I had said Alusil was better IMO, but Nikasil is fine and good.

BTW: The first IM I received about this from somebody pissed off was somebody saying "I thought this was runnable as is plus heads. That's what Erik said." I defended you guys saying all that needs to be changed is the pistons (and maybe Nikasilling if you guys decided to go that route) and that was obvious from the beginning. Now it sounds like everything is gone except the crank and rods. At this poinjt, why not build the engine Mark wants... which sounds basicly like Mark A's.

hacker-pschorr

Well, he is the one selling the motor. So I guess that means he has a hidden agenda
In storage in Elkhart Lake - 1 mile from Road America. I could use a new motor - how about that blank check?
I agree - there was some excellent discussion here about "what to do" and I as much as everyone else were opened ears looking for ideas. Not sure how we got here. I mean - has it been so long since the last turbo vs supercharger vs stroker vs drive ratio thread we needed a place to vent?
I tried to take a cool picture of the moon with my new camera today. Didn't work so need to rethink that.
Beer!!!

FlyingDog

I have to get up in 5.5 hours. Enjoy the circlejerk without me. For the 4th and 3rd times, respectively:
...and...

hacker-pschorr

The engine (short block) is 100% assembled ready to go.

Mark doesn't want it.

So, we have two options based on this:
1. give the money back
2. deliver the motor and let Mark do what he wants - IT'S THAT SIMPLE

---or--- Help Mark accomplish what he probably would have done anyway with the motor in Tim's garage. We choose that route.

hacker-pschorr

So do I. Maybe that is why I'm so cranky right now. Coming home to see "Bull****" being called on this fund raiser - yea, nice way to end a day.
We were before you came riding out of the hopper guns-a-blazing calling BS to the whole deal and all the effort going into making it the best engine possible for the money.
Yea - I saw that each time you posted it. Still doesn't escuse previous posts flaming those involved for screwing over the group when intentions are 100% in favor of helping Mark both at the track and with his pocketbook.

FlyingDog

Just one last response now that I've cleared my PM box...

There are other options:
Current engine with different pistons.
Put the money towards what Mark really wants, an engine with 968 pistons.
Give it all to me to convert my car to a racecar (just kidding)

Why wasn't this explained before all the money was raised? That is the complaint. The end result is not what was stated as the intended result.

G'night.