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11-09-2004, 12:07 PM
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I've seen these over the last couple of years, and I asked my mechanic about them, and he said, "You get what you pay for" 
. Autothority charges $695.00 
. Autothority charges $695.00
11-09-2004, 01:13 PM
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""You get what you pay for""... hmmmm I do not agree with your mechanic.
I paid around $75 for a set last winter and I gaind at least 0.2 in the 1/4 mile. That's approx. 20 - 25 hp. I can definitely feel the increase in power.
$695 for a set of chips is extremly over priced. I think a resonable price for chips now days should not be more than $250 max.
I paid around $75 for a set last winter and I gaind at least 0.2 in the 1/4 mile. That's approx. 20 - 25 hp. I can definitely feel the increase in power.
$695 for a set of chips is extremly over priced. I think a resonable price for chips now days should not be more than $250 max.
12-04-2004, 03:23 PM
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I bought those chips from ebay. I was able to install it myself and only spent $90.00 on it. After I let it idel for like 10 minutes, it ran great. And has ever since the power gain was really nice and it makes my custom exhaust sound alot smoother. I was scared to try it to but I almost lost a race to a new Maxima I had to do something and right now. Third gear with my five speed is incredible, it's almost like my 951 use to be.
12-04-2004, 05:52 PM
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Anyone try Superchips? What are the results like? Ages ago I bought a couple of chips from them for my quattro coupe turbo;I was happy with the price and results!!
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12-04-2004, 11:28 PM
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Why the high prices for the gray market chips? An eeprom burner only costs about $100 and a blank eeprom virtually nothing. All you need is one good chip and you canat least 20 copies an hour for maybe $2.00 each. I guess if you amortize the cost of the burner and pay yourself about $250 per hour, the price works out. What ever the market will bear, I suppose.
12-05-2004, 11:57 AM
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Another one of my retired Army buddies is a Ham radio operator and burns Eproms for all kinds of projects. I'll talk to him and find out if we can skin this cat the easy way.
Anyone who HAS one of those e-Bay chips, can you take a digital picture of the top and bottom of the chip and post it? We can get an idea as to the type of blank chip they use.
Cheers,
Dave
Anyone who HAS one of those e-Bay chips, can you take a digital picture of the top and bottom of the chip and post it? We can get an idea as to the type of blank chip they use.
Cheers,
Dave
12-05-2004, 12:39 PM
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Just a reminder for those who still have a conscience--
The code on the 'custom' EPROMS is typically the result of more than a few hours of efforts on someone's part. That makes burning copies of the code to new EPROMS the same as STEALING. Before you get into the copying process, explain to your children or your mother how it's OK to steal like this, but thet still shouldn't take candy from the store without paying for it.
More than a few folks make their living in software and other intellectual property, delivered in many forms. Might be paper, disk, EPROM, whatever. When you decide to make a casual copy "for a friend", you open a floodgate of fraud. Once there's even the tiniest leak, it quickly turns into a torrent of fraud, and people starts to think that it's OK because so many others are doing it. At the same time, you drive up the prices charged to legitimate customers, as they bear a larger portion of the development costs.
Want to reverse-engineer a custom EPROM? Go right ahead, remembering that a legal effort requires that nobody in the process has ever viewed or even discussed the processes in the original code. You get to work from -results- only. Good luck!
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I had a discussion recently with attorneys from a steam turbine manufacturer. They sent me a nice letter telling me how I should stop publishing material on which they had claimed copyright protection. Short discussion, after I showed them how *they* had used an operating manual that I had written for one of their customers, and copied it word-for-word into their own 'factory' instruction set. Discussion is now about the $$, and the starting point is the number that they thought I should pay them for use of the material.
The code on the 'custom' EPROMS is typically the result of more than a few hours of efforts on someone's part. That makes burning copies of the code to new EPROMS the same as STEALING. Before you get into the copying process, explain to your children or your mother how it's OK to steal like this, but thet still shouldn't take candy from the store without paying for it.
More than a few folks make their living in software and other intellectual property, delivered in many forms. Might be paper, disk, EPROM, whatever. When you decide to make a casual copy "for a friend", you open a floodgate of fraud. Once there's even the tiniest leak, it quickly turns into a torrent of fraud, and people starts to think that it's OK because so many others are doing it. At the same time, you drive up the prices charged to legitimate customers, as they bear a larger portion of the development costs.
Want to reverse-engineer a custom EPROM? Go right ahead, remembering that a legal effort requires that nobody in the process has ever viewed or even discussed the processes in the original code. You get to work from -results- only. Good luck!
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I had a discussion recently with attorneys from a steam turbine manufacturer. They sent me a nice letter telling me how I should stop publishing material on which they had claimed copyright protection. Short discussion, after I showed them how *they* had used an operating manual that I had written for one of their customers, and copied it word-for-word into their own 'factory' instruction set. Discussion is now about the $$, and the starting point is the number that they thought I should pay them for use of the material.
12-05-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dr bob
Just a reminder for those who still have a conscience--
The code on the 'custom' EPROMS is typically the result of more than a few hours of efforts on someone's part. That makes burning copies of the code to new EPROMS the same as STEALING. Before you get into the copying process, explain to your children or your mother how it's OK to steal like this, but thet still shouldn't take candy from the store without paying for it.
More than a few folks make their living in software and other intellectual property, delivered in many forms. Might be paper, disk, EPROM, whatever. When you decide to make a casual copy "for a friend", you open a floodgate of fraud. Once there's even the tiniest leak, it quickly turns into a torrent of fraud, and people starts to think that it's OK because so many others are doing it. At the same time, you drive up the prices charged to legitimate customers, as they bear a larger portion of the development costs.
Want to reverse-engineer a custom EPROM? Go right ahead, remembering that a legal effort requires that nobody in the process has ever viewed or even discussed the processes in the original code. You get to work from -results- only. Good luck!
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I had a discussion recently with attorneys from a steam turbine manufacturer. They sent me a nice letter telling me how I should stop publishing material on which they had claimed copyright protection. Short discussion, after I showed them how *they* had used an operating manual that I had written for one of their customers, and copied it word-for-word into their own 'factory' instruction set. Discussion is now about the $$, and the starting point is the number that they thought I should pay them for use of the material.
The code on the 'custom' EPROMS is typically the result of more than a few hours of efforts on someone's part. That makes burning copies of the code to new EPROMS the same as STEALING. Before you get into the copying process, explain to your children or your mother how it's OK to steal like this, but thet still shouldn't take candy from the store without paying for it.
More than a few folks make their living in software and other intellectual property, delivered in many forms. Might be paper, disk, EPROM, whatever. When you decide to make a casual copy "for a friend", you open a floodgate of fraud. Once there's even the tiniest leak, it quickly turns into a torrent of fraud, and people starts to think that it's OK because so many others are doing it. At the same time, you drive up the prices charged to legitimate customers, as they bear a larger portion of the development costs.
Want to reverse-engineer a custom EPROM? Go right ahead, remembering that a legal effort requires that nobody in the process has ever viewed or even discussed the processes in the original code. You get to work from -results- only. Good luck!
-------------
I had a discussion recently with attorneys from a steam turbine manufacturer. They sent me a nice letter telling me how I should stop publishing material on which they had claimed copyright protection. Short discussion, after I showed them how *they* had used an operating manual that I had written for one of their customers, and copied it word-for-word into their own 'factory' instruction set. Discussion is now about the $$, and the starting point is the number that they thought I should pay them for use of the material.
My goodness! I never thought of that! Stealing. That's like downloading a music track from Kazaa and burning it to a CD to play in the car.
OK, I got it. As I understand the situation, the facotry style chips are still sold by Porsche? And the chips which have been modified by a computer wizz are marketed by that person under license from Porsche and with Porsche's authority.
So, if that is the case, then making a copy of official Porsche chips is definitely illegal, since Porsche holds the copyrights on the Firmware.
Likewise, if the person who has manufactured the "hacked" (or "specially modified" firmware) is likewise working by legal agreement with Porsche, then burning that hacked/enhanced/changed/ modified chip is stealing and should not be done.
SO, are we on the same track, Doc?
Cheers,
Dave
12-05-2004, 09:03 PM
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So, if that is the case, then making a copy of official Porsche chips is definitely illegal
Dr Bob is the certainly the voice of righteousness with some valid points, but I think this falls into the victimless crime category(at least in our minds)
12-05-2004, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Greggles
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Dr Bob is the certainly the voice of righteousness with some valid points, but I think this falls into the victimless crime category(at least in our minds)
Dr Bob is the certainly the voice of righteousness with some valid points, but I think this falls into the victimless crime category(at least in our minds)
"Victimless" crime? A quick phone call to Autothority (or whoever the origional author/supplier is) for their permission to copy a set of their chips should set your mind at ease on this issue.
Lots of people steal, so it must be OK. The guy who offers it for sale stole it fair and square, so it must be OK. Plus, he's doing the rest of the world a service by offering copies of the stolen items at a discount, right? If that was the case, shouldn't the sale price reflect on the cost of the EPROM itself? Wait a second, maybe the code does have some value... It must be OK.
Rationalize all you want, stealing is stealing. Save whatever rationalization to soothe yourself when somebody steals from you. It will provide you great comfort.
12-06-2004, 01:16 AM
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Didn't I hear sometime back that the stock chips were NLA? I guess burning copies of these would be a bit of a public service if someone needs a set. If truly NLA, I seriously doubt Porsche would prosecute.