How fast have you driven your shark?
11-26-2003, 07:28 PM
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I'll answer for Marc since he's out running errands...
Stock S4 2.2 rear end
Redlining in 4th and shifting into 5th without having to look in the rear view and just putting the pedal to the floor is one of the most thrilling things I've ever done.
Anything over about 130 and I want a helmet on my head!
Susan Thomas
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Stock S4 2.2 rear end
Redlining in 4th and shifting into 5th without having to look in the rear view and just putting the pedal to the floor is one of the most thrilling things I've ever done.
Anything over about 130 and I want a helmet on my head!
Susan Thomas
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11-26-2003, 08:01 PM
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Pattycakes,
With the those high-pressure Dunlops' on yanked at the reins and away we went.
Ran at 130 -136+ indicated for an extended run on a rural Texas road.
She settled -downwardly speaking- around 80ish and again at 120ish.
Extremely stable ride -ON RAILS-. Still had plenty of pedal and at least another 800rpm to redline.
Anyone know what the stock Weissach tops out at -AUTO-
assuming that there was enough HP, a tailwind, and the sHARk is aero-dynamically sound.
1st gear 2.306:1
2nd gear 1.460:1
3rd gear 1:1
axel ratio 2.750:1
Of course all the above is sheer fantasy for you insurance and law enforcement types.
With the those high-pressure Dunlops' on yanked at the reins and away we went.
Ran at 130 -136+ indicated for an extended run on a rural Texas road.
She settled -downwardly speaking- around 80ish and again at 120ish.
Extremely stable ride -ON RAILS-. Still had plenty of pedal and at least another 800rpm to redline.
Anyone know what the stock Weissach tops out at -AUTO-
assuming that there was enough HP, a tailwind, and the sHARk is aero-dynamically sound.
1st gear 2.306:1
2nd gear 1.460:1
3rd gear 1:1
axel ratio 2.750:1
Of course all the above is sheer fantasy for you insurance and law enforcement types.
11-26-2003, 08:21 PM
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Most of the pavement in Southern California is pretty torn up from all the traffic and trucks. I think that's why I get unhappy vibrations in the 120-140 range. Plus, that's just faster than I want to go. I'd rather just hold a solid 85 all that way up the 110 into Pasadena. Sometimes I think the car was designed for that little bit of poorly designed (and thus fun) freeway.
11-26-2003, 09:05 PM
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John S..."Of course all the above is sheer fantasy for you insurance and law enforcement types. " Yes John , they fantacise about catching someone at the afore mentioned speeds !! please be safe and everyone realize that a crash at 120 MPH is not simply twice as bad as one at 60 MPH ... the energy stored goes up by the square of the speed (e = m c 2 ) . That is why in a NASCAR speed type crash the cars fly tumble roll flip end over end dissipating all that energy . Wearing the stock "seat belt" you will probably not still be in the car ........... I realize what I write will not have much influence about what you choose to do but please be aware of the risks that you are assuming . A number of people have died or been badly injured over the last several years doing the "open road " hill climb events like Silverstate , Virginia City some from tire failures , others mechanical , some driver error .....same end result .
11-26-2003, 09:16 PM
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Jim is right, although I think the equation he ment was E=1/2mv^2 ... I'm pretty sure nobody's 928 is likely to approach c (speed of light). But energy does go with the square of velocity, and it is energy that is important because it is conserved so in a sudden stop it has to go somewhere. In a crash it mostly goes into heat of deformation of metallic objects (your car) and organic material (you and others). Which is bad. Years ago I was looking for a rebuildable 928 and could not find one...it seemed like all the wrecks happend at 120 plus and there just was not much left.
11-26-2003, 11:46 PM
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Jim,
You are correct on a variety of points , no arguement there.
But as there are virtually, no performance oriented outlets at this end of the world -emphasis on end of the world- other than the 'risky' open road events of which there are two with a possible third located in the Pecos area -not confirmed as an annual event- little is left other than to wonder why I bought my 928 in the first place. I didn't buy her for a fireplace mantle decoration.
As to risk I do worry about others but to put things in perspective in this part of Texas you can see so far that it's almost unbelieveable. Curves that are unnoticeble unless you are traveling in the 90 - 100mph range. In Midland County I would be hard pressed to find a curve that is any tighter than what you would find on a freeway run from your part of L.A. to San Diego.
I do a roll check on my tires for blems, cuts, bumps cupping, nails...,weekly.
Check tire pressure, and look under the car daily.
When I plan on romping I get real serious about inspecting the car.
I realize that things do break and I might miss "something" ... risk.
As I mentioned in past post's I do street race but seldom hit 75/80 and it's over...period. Usually on 4 lane divided, from service road on ramp, to off ramp covers about 2/3 of a mile and usually less and are all roll-ons, no dicing it up with traffic at all.
I allow my self a maximum of four 100 mph+ runs a year with one of the four accounting for head to head racing, the others for just airing the sHARk out over 30 - 50 miles. Point of fact this past year only two high speed runs, no high speed head to heads, and about a bakers dozen on the 4 lane -75/80mph-.
The high speed runs are on healthy asphalt with lane width shoulders, 25 to 50 foot right of ways and low -unless you are out here you can't fathom low volume- volume. I'm talking North Dakota -northern- wheatland volume.
Yeah I do worry about the other guy... 120mph = 2miles a minute, 1mile every 30 seconds, 1/2 in 15 sec, 1/4 in 7.5 sec, 1/8 in about 3.7 sec.
Mass and velocity/closing speeds and angles of attack.
It's against the law, same one the cops violate everyday around here(and probably there) without reason...
I'm not promoting highspeed runs or street racing...someone asked a question and I responded. You picked me out of the hat to respond to?
Doors open.
I own a sport luxury car, you own one or two yourself, you make a modest living selling parts -some performance enhancers- I buy parts from you to keep this puppy on the road in good working order. Everybody's happy.
If I had access to local racing venues I would probably be on the band wagon with you but I don't. Different worlds/situations. So I guess you were right on your not influencing me.
I own a Porche 928, not a 72' Buick LeSabre. I have a hunch that the people who envisioned, designed and built my car would be somewhat disheartened if I drove it like a 72' buick LeSaber...
BTW I've driven the Bahns for years and as much as I dislike living in West Texas, I'll take these roads over the German high speed roads.
Jim, you may be that "one Guy" who never violated mandated speed limits but, (and velocity squared aside) I somehow doubt it.
If you have at one time or another loosely interpreted the posted speed limit then the difference between you and I is one of degree.
Finally, Jim Hall of racings Chaparrel fame grew up on the shoulder of SH-349 (my favorite). He had to learn and practice somewhere too, right?
Not a burn just an observation. Minimizing the risk IS important. And As I scrape people off the road as part of my job I understand what you are saying.
Peace. Happy Thanksgiving.
You are correct on a variety of points , no arguement there.
But as there are virtually, no performance oriented outlets at this end of the world -emphasis on end of the world- other than the 'risky' open road events of which there are two with a possible third located in the Pecos area -not confirmed as an annual event- little is left other than to wonder why I bought my 928 in the first place. I didn't buy her for a fireplace mantle decoration.
As to risk I do worry about others but to put things in perspective in this part of Texas you can see so far that it's almost unbelieveable. Curves that are unnoticeble unless you are traveling in the 90 - 100mph range. In Midland County I would be hard pressed to find a curve that is any tighter than what you would find on a freeway run from your part of L.A. to San Diego.
I do a roll check on my tires for blems, cuts, bumps cupping, nails...,weekly.
Check tire pressure, and look under the car daily.
When I plan on romping I get real serious about inspecting the car.
I realize that things do break and I might miss "something" ... risk.
As I mentioned in past post's I do street race but seldom hit 75/80 and it's over...period. Usually on 4 lane divided, from service road on ramp, to off ramp covers about 2/3 of a mile and usually less and are all roll-ons, no dicing it up with traffic at all.
I allow my self a maximum of four 100 mph+ runs a year with one of the four accounting for head to head racing, the others for just airing the sHARk out over 30 - 50 miles. Point of fact this past year only two high speed runs, no high speed head to heads, and about a bakers dozen on the 4 lane -75/80mph-.
The high speed runs are on healthy asphalt with lane width shoulders, 25 to 50 foot right of ways and low -unless you are out here you can't fathom low volume- volume. I'm talking North Dakota -northern- wheatland volume.
Yeah I do worry about the other guy... 120mph = 2miles a minute, 1mile every 30 seconds, 1/2 in 15 sec, 1/4 in 7.5 sec, 1/8 in about 3.7 sec.
Mass and velocity/closing speeds and angles of attack.
It's against the law, same one the cops violate everyday around here(and probably there) without reason...
I'm not promoting highspeed runs or street racing...someone asked a question and I responded. You picked me out of the hat to respond to?
Doors open.
I own a sport luxury car, you own one or two yourself, you make a modest living selling parts -some performance enhancers- I buy parts from you to keep this puppy on the road in good working order. Everybody's happy.
If I had access to local racing venues I would probably be on the band wagon with you but I don't. Different worlds/situations. So I guess you were right on your not influencing me.
I own a Porche 928, not a 72' Buick LeSabre. I have a hunch that the people who envisioned, designed and built my car would be somewhat disheartened if I drove it like a 72' buick LeSaber...
BTW I've driven the Bahns for years and as much as I dislike living in West Texas, I'll take these roads over the German high speed roads.
Jim, you may be that "one Guy" who never violated mandated speed limits but, (and velocity squared aside) I somehow doubt it.
If you have at one time or another loosely interpreted the posted speed limit then the difference between you and I is one of degree.
Finally, Jim Hall of racings Chaparrel fame grew up on the shoulder of SH-349 (my favorite). He had to learn and practice somewhere too, right?
Not a burn just an observation. Minimizing the risk IS important. And As I scrape people off the road as part of my job I understand what you are saying.
Peace. Happy Thanksgiving.
11-27-2003, 12:48 AM
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It wasn't my car, but I drove 140 MPH for a bunch of long stetches in a 1993 GTS on the unlimited portions of the Autobahn this last September. I'd have gone faster, but my buddy Johnny's pregnant wife was in the passenger seat, and he was following with Kempf driving behind me in an S4 (same one as in my avatar on N-Ring). Before you give me hell about that, I was just going the crusing speed everyone else did when it was their turn to drive. So we were collectively going crazy speeds with a preganant lady in the passenger seat.
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11-27-2003, 12:58 AM
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My 83 roars to 120. She'll spin the tires in first, and pull strongly to the top of 4th gear. Not only that, but she's pretty stable too.
However, once I get over 120, things get intersting. Cross winds have a HUGE effect, as do minor imperfections in the road. The engine just doesn't have the ponys at those rpms to pull me along faster. So anything over 120 is really dangerous for me.
I'm thinking I need to redo some aero stuff...
However, once I get over 120, things get intersting. Cross winds have a HUGE effect, as do minor imperfections in the road. The engine just doesn't have the ponys at those rpms to pull me along faster. So anything over 120 is really dangerous for me.
I'm thinking I need to redo some aero stuff...
11-27-2003, 02:29 AM
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143 mph driving my S4.
About the same driving an early BMTroubleYou 750i in Germany.
155 mph as a passenger in a 968 Cab Werkswagen on the German Autobahn.
About the same in the German high speed train ICE (InterCity Express).
No helmets involved, but in the first case I had a passenger watching for cop cars and planes. It's very quick to get a 928 up to 140. Once you are over 90mph the S4 (and later) aerodynamics make it go like the ICE train: on rails.
About the same driving an early BMTroubleYou 750i in Germany.
155 mph as a passenger in a 968 Cab Werkswagen on the German Autobahn.
About the same in the German high speed train ICE (InterCity Express).
No helmets involved, but in the first case I had a passenger watching for cop cars and planes. It's very quick to get a 928 up to 140. Once you are over 90mph the S4 (and later) aerodynamics make it go like the ICE train: on rails.
11-27-2003, 07:56 AM
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286 km/h according to the digital speedo. 290+ on the analog and about 6600-6700 rpm's.
Stock GT except for an RMB. I wondered what it would sound like to stand by the side of the road when I drove past.
Stock GT except for an RMB. I wondered what it would sound like to stand by the side of the road when I drove past.
