mark kibort

Ive heard that as well. (about the power of the 951 that can be achieved, reliably.) i suppose a good test would be against the GT2pca or GT3pca (usually GT3 because of displacement, right?) anyway, i have never seen a GT2 944 that didnt have a lot of work done to it. the point is Cheap performance.

if you want to know about where my car will fit back easy, just find the tracks that speed world challenge faces and take the top 10 or so Touring car times. used to be the top time, but now, those darn cars are getting REAL fast.

when they come to the west coast , i usually beat or hang with guys like Seth thomas or brandon Davis. or, you can compare to the top 10 of the Grand Am GS class (Koni)

I beat up on my S4 pretty well, but look at Scot Graham. he doesnt get quite as much racing in, doesnt take it quite as serious as i do, and still is only 1 second behind in a very cheap euro conversion 928, with 290rwhp and 2675lbs.

Mk

mark kibort

2:15 at the glen? well, first of all what does this car cost? looking at the mods, it's far from a cheap car. maybe he bought it for $10k but thats not what it would take to make this car.
as far as the 2:15. is that faster than the top 10 speedTouring guys? if so, he is faster than i would be. the next question is race rubber. Im on DOTs and slicks are usually worth a second or two depending on the track.

edit: just found out touring times. brandon races 2:06-7 at the glen. i would probably be right around there. certanly not 7 seconds slower like the 400hp 951 you mention running his 2:15. (as he was running around RSRs too, right? ) by the way, the worst of the speedGT guys are in the 2:01 range with the bulk in the 1:57 range. And RSRs usually are in the low 1:50s at the glen

http://www.world-challenge.com/event...lts.php?ID=452

Mk

by the way, if you read the 944 post regarding the "RS" he was out testing on his first track day. a novice driver in his new HOT car can easily be 10 seconds off a spec miata pace.

dougoh

when i ran these times it was the first time with this car on the track and in my posts i corrected myself and said that it was a gt3 RS not a rsr..i was running 16 lbs of boost wich probably be at around 320 rwhp and i was on old kumho v710's....the car is 2600 lbs lindsey maf, super 61 turbo

lart951

Mark, I am just to lazy to search the archives, but I know of at least 2 other 951's on the east coast still 2.5l running over 500rwhp, lot of racing 951's out there build by tunners , like Scott Gomez, Albert Broadfoot,John Milleadge, Christ White etc..

Here Mark, have you ever race this guy?

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...light=race+car

Yummybud924

what I don't understand is exactly how long do these modded 951 engines last?

say I buy a 944 turbo in pretty good condition with say 200,000 kms as most are around that and then I mod it to 300+ hp without rebuilding the engine.

Catfood

once again i must say. both are porsches therefore they are designed to be driven on the street during the week and on the track at the weekend. they have brakes designed not to fade. the 928 is built with an awesome tranny designed for huge power. the supension is world class by todays standard. if your looking to make power you need more liters thus a V8. HOwever I love the 944 the brakes on a 928 were designed for a 3200 lb car or heavier. however porsche put them on a 944 a 2800 lb car. I guess you could call the 944 over braked. Ive heard a stock 944 stripped of interior can run with a 98 BMW M3 in a straightline. imagine that if you had boost.... I will once again say. they are both porsches and therefore a n excellent choice. either one is amazing and will give back everything you put into it. my dad has 370000 on his 79 928 it still sounds brand new. you cant go wrong end of discussion

Oddjob

PCA Club Racing lap records at Watkins Glen (by class):

Leh Keen 996 GT3RSR 1:50.1

Roy Chong 944 Turbo (Class GT3S, so 2.5 ltr on DOT tires) 1:59.9

89 944 Turbo (Class E: stock power, weight, brakes, trans, etc on DOT tires) 2:11.0

Karl Poetl 944S2 (Class F: stock) 2:13.7


Any car running 2:17s at Road America is very far from stock, and not on DOT tires.

mark kibort

The point is, there are not any that can be as fast for as cheap as the 928. when you start talking about the 500hp 944Ts, you then have to start comparing them to Andersons Stroked 500hp 928, which crushes those 944s. (1:23 at Willow springs, and as i metioned before 1:30.8 at laguna. Did you see the results from the POC race at laguna last year? anderson won vs the 996RSR with turbos, and the CF body kit. (recently for sale for $350k) in a cat and mouse battle, the 928 prevailed. the weight, width and advanced suspension are just a few of the reasons the 928 is so potent. Mark A. is a good shoe as well.

we all have said, the 944 is a great car for a race car conversion. However, if we are only talking bang for the buck, or max performance potential, the 928 is ahead of the curve. again, what does it take for a 944T to run 1:39.0 at laguna on DOTs? (in near stock engine form) since there is never been a 944 even close to mark andersons 928 in the modified classes, the top potenial, with no limits, seem to favor the "slow, heavy and not a race car" 928.

again, this is strictly a bang for the buck discussion when it comes to the 928 race car conversions. a set of headers are the only mods i run on the powerplant! even a stock air box! and by the way, the engine hasnt been apart since it was made 20 years ago in 1986! still making 300-325rwhp with 92 octane gas.


MK

mark kibort

yes, that sets the bar for the heavily modified or factory ALMS race cars!

Roy's 944 turbo is pretty modified and not cheap.

2:17 not on DOTs? first of all the Speed GT audis and cup cars ran 2:14 on DOTS, and yes anderson has a modified 475rwhp 928, and he didnt race that time on DOTs, but on used slicks. he is usually a second or two slower with DOTs.

mk

IcemanG17

With all the people that live in CA (35 million +) there has to be a fair # of racing 951's around.....shoot we have at least 4 full blown racing 928's that post times at all CA tracks...... Why is it so hard to post track times of racing 951's at CA tracks......

I just don't understand...... how hard can it be? I can think of a dozen + nice street driven 951's with big power that are local....

Needless to say I vote for the 928 to win the "racing for cheap"....since there is NOBODY who wins more for less $$$$ then Kibort!

V2Rocket

In the bathroom next to the **** tickets.

959Lover

You post way too often, and 99% of the time it's about something useless

944Fest (aka Dan P)

http://www.sharktoberfest.com/2006.htm
Heya Geoff, I know you are joking, but the fact is their Fest is bigger than our Fest! They also seem to be extremely well organized!!

mark kibort

run a speed world challenge touring car top 15 time in a 944 with $1000 worth of engine mods and i will concede! (both cars get the wheels and tires and some type of bolt on street sport suspension like mine ). That's it. the last of the great, " Gut and go cars" plus, did i mention, ive driven the 928 to all races, and thats 90 race days NO DNF's !!! PLus, lets see you fit the second set of all 4 wheels and tires as well, in a 944. that we know you cant do without a roof rack or trailer!

mk

Voith