Time to deal with that #1 plug,...........
01-01-2010, 08:26 PM
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I did not know that all of that stuff has been put off (valve adj, thermostat, oil rtn lines, etc). I thought that stuff was already done. The new fuel lines will be a wise investment provided they are all changed. Why are so many parts damaged (thermostat stud, AC mounting plate, spark plug cross-threaded)? You can probably tap the thread for the ac with an SAE tap, and use an English sized bolt.
Since he said that he will be drilling (left hand thread) the plug, I think he might be using an extractor kit that is made for this type of situation. But be prepared for the head to have to come off. It's not a huge deal, just involves about a day more labor and a few more parts. I think that this is probably 50/50, which is why he is starting with the engine out and on the engine stand.
Since he said that he will be drilling (left hand thread) the plug, I think he might be using an extractor kit that is made for this type of situation. But be prepared for the head to have to come off. It's not a huge deal, just involves about a day more labor and a few more parts. I think that this is probably 50/50, which is why he is starting with the engine out and on the engine stand.
Nothing was really "put off" necc'y. The valve adjustment is due.. I HAVE been putting off reacting to the elevated tappet sounds (both sides) and subsequent leaks.....
The thermostat issue was discovered by me when engaging the triangle up top. I found the top part of the studd, with the nut attched, laying over on the manifold. Someone had (possibly) overtorqued it and it had broken off. I ran a thread in the NG regarding this and got some great advice. Decision was made to lock her down with only one nut, after loading a fresh viton O-ring....told there wasn't much oil pressure up there and will be fine until I can get to the stud removal/replacement...in the meantime,..she never (nor does she) ever exhibit any leaks......Unfortunately, I've just not had the time to deal with it,..and have passed it on the Pros....
I had already mentioned that the Passenger-side oil return tubes had been replaced in the past (PO) with collapsables.....leaving the other (driver) side original, one piece units. I've not touched these in 3 1/2 years, as they've exhibited NO leaks. They do, however, looked "heat-soaked" and are destined to be changed out here shortly.
The spark plug was a cross-thread: compliments of the PO (I thought I had already mentioned that?) It was dumbarse me that didn't get the PPI that would have easily revealed this "issue",..no? Water under the bridge, now.
Fuel lines? No brainer.
AC mounting plate strip,..what can I say,..she stripped out one day,..long ago,...not even at torque,,,...needs a tap,..pretty simple.....will do, too.
"etc"...I'm not sure what you mean there...
I would think that the engine's on the stand in order to have a one time, one shot (as Ed had characterized) take at this plug...needs to be dead on.....I could think of no better way to do so than to have that engine staring me in the face,,,,,certainty becomes MUCH closer................no room for bullsheeit error here....my guess, based on their "demeanor" regarding the plug extraction is that they will NOT be pulling heads......I guess we shall see (however, eh?)
That's just my guess,..we'll see if I;m right or not,..real shortly, my friend.
I hope this clears some things up a bit.
As always, thanks for the input, Rusnak.
My best,
Doyle
01-02-2010, 01:06 PM
#64
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This is all good news Doyle. I know the trepidation you feel. It's normal and I can say that, from the standpoint of a tech, a client that is emotionally involved is a good client. It puts a name and face on the work he's doing and that does mean something in the end. It makes you a good customer. Furthermore, this process is a normal one. The work he is doing on your car is what I call a "cruise control" job with the possible unknown issues with the plug. The drivetrain is intended to be removed from the car for SERVICE and most certainly repair. I had customers that would have us remove the drivtrain once a year for the major services and honestly it cost them less in the long run and when its all on the bench well...fruitcake. It's how these cars are worked on. Nothing will be overlooked and the costs are minimal. you will be thrilled when it comes home.
Imagine - at Daytona, I knew cars that would come into the paddock at 1 AM, the crew would tear the engine down, replace pistons/heads etc. and have the car back on the track at 3 AM to finish the race. These cars are servicable. Its how it's done and it's part of the beauty of a 911.
It sounds like you recieved the "your parts or mine" lecture and thats par for the corse. Worldpac has a fully stocked warehouse in Atlanta and you will get what you need - even if it takes a day longer. Parts issues are the neccessary evil in this business and really out of everybodys hands. Worst case is you will have to wait 24 hours for parts, probably not though. Your doing the right thing and you will not regret it one bit.
Imagine - at Daytona, I knew cars that would come into the paddock at 1 AM, the crew would tear the engine down, replace pistons/heads etc. and have the car back on the track at 3 AM to finish the race. These cars are servicable. Its how it's done and it's part of the beauty of a 911.
It sounds like you recieved the "your parts or mine" lecture and thats par for the corse. Worldpac has a fully stocked warehouse in Atlanta and you will get what you need - even if it takes a day longer. Parts issues are the neccessary evil in this business and really out of everybodys hands. Worst case is you will have to wait 24 hours for parts, probably not though. Your doing the right thing and you will not regret it one bit.
01-02-2010, 02:13 PM
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Well said, Whalebird. I do believe each and every point.
Very much so emotionally involved..................no regrets (just as you stated....)
Best to the Bird,
Doyle
Very much so emotionally involved..................no regrets (just as you stated....)
Best to the Bird,
Doyle
01-03-2010, 02:16 AM
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Too tired to retype......please check the update at:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ml#post5103184
As always, I value you guys inputs.
Best,
Doyle
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ml#post5103184
As always, I value you guys inputs.
Best,
Doyle
01-03-2010, 02:22 AM
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01-04-2010, 03:07 PM
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Sure seems that way,..they were as kicked back about it like it was no big deal,...apparently not their first rodeo by any means...certainly a FAR CRY from "removing the heads" business......
Thanks, Edward.
Thanks, Edward.
01-04-2010, 05:18 PM
#74
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i am curios Doyle .. how do they drill it out and install a time cert without any metal fragments falling into the cylinder. Also how do they drill perfectly square to the head ? anyone have any input ?
Thanks
Thanks
01-04-2010, 06:16 PM
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Ice: Can't say that I know the answer, just yet. They did mention using 4 different sized drill bits, axlegrease, magnet, air and boroscope....Rx'd a private email from the wrench who actually did it assuring me *without question" that there's no fragments at all within the cylinder=100%..Sounds like they drill to the point where they can pick out the threads...not really sure, Ice.
Maybe it's all in their frikin' wrist? I don't really know, just yet.
Just glad THAT'S over with. Serge (wrench) was very, very happy with the outcome (as am I).
I'll continue to see what I can discover from these guys.
Best,
Doyle
Maybe it's all in their frikin' wrist? I don't really know, just yet.
Just glad THAT'S over with. Serge (wrench) was very, very happy with the outcome (as am I).
I'll continue to see what I can discover from these guys.
Best,
Doyle