GT4 RS Driving Impressions
#796
I know enough to know that I should just follow the break-in guidance in the owner’s manual, and am not qualified to override or supplement that. There are too many opinions out there on this topic, often expressed with confidence by people who don’t design Porsche engines or engines in general.
No WOT neither baby load but try to keep it on medium loads
with a similar rpm guidance to the one posted above. A blanket "don't go beyond 7000rpm until 1500km and then pedal to the metal" is absurd ...but hey that is what the manual says...
Of course you and your gut feeling can to whatever you please ...
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mrd_spy (05-01-2024)
#797
Common sense rules. If an engine is not up to operating temperature, don't stress it, don't do anything stupid with it.
Moving parts are designed with a specific operating temperature in mind, be it engine or gearbox, when new the fitment might be tighter hence why there is a 'break in' period. Modern parts are more about 'seating the seal', than actually wearing down metal to fitment. Honestly, after 15-20hrs of running, everything is seated and sealed properly.
Every now and then, we read about idiots blowing up an engine even after 1000 miles.
In contrast to that, Porsche supply their European driving schools with brand new cars each year, they don't have time to drive 1500km 'break in' miles on 30-40 cars. But they do make sure all the cars are up to temperature before students get in and abuse them. Mechanical failure rate of those school cars are almost nil. They have a higher rate of suffering body damage than engine failure. These school cars will be off to the secondary market after finishing the school season.
Moving parts are designed with a specific operating temperature in mind, be it engine or gearbox, when new the fitment might be tighter hence why there is a 'break in' period. Modern parts are more about 'seating the seal', than actually wearing down metal to fitment. Honestly, after 15-20hrs of running, everything is seated and sealed properly.
Every now and then, we read about idiots blowing up an engine even after 1000 miles.
In contrast to that, Porsche supply their European driving schools with brand new cars each year, they don't have time to drive 1500km 'break in' miles on 30-40 cars. But they do make sure all the cars are up to temperature before students get in and abuse them. Mechanical failure rate of those school cars are almost nil. They have a higher rate of suffering body damage than engine failure. These school cars will be off to the secondary market after finishing the school season.
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#798
Common sense rules. If an engine is not up to operating temperature, don't stress it, don't do anything stupid with it.
Moving parts are designed with a specific operating temperature in mind, be it engine or gearbox, when new the fitment might be tighter hence why there is a 'break in' period. Modern parts are more about 'seating the seal', than actually wearing down metal to fitment. Honestly, after 15-20hrs of running, everything is seated and sealed properly.
Every now and then, we read about idiots blowing up an engine even after 1000 miles.
In contrast to that, Porsche supply their European driving schools with brand new cars each year, they don't have time to drive 1500km 'break in' miles on 30-40 cars. But they do make sure all the cars are up to temperature before students get in and abuse them. Mechanical failure rate of those school cars are almost nil. They have a higher rate of suffering body damage than engine failure. These school cars will be off to the secondary market after finishing the school season.
Moving parts are designed with a specific operating temperature in mind, be it engine or gearbox, when new the fitment might be tighter hence why there is a 'break in' period. Modern parts are more about 'seating the seal', than actually wearing down metal to fitment. Honestly, after 15-20hrs of running, everything is seated and sealed properly.
Every now and then, we read about idiots blowing up an engine even after 1000 miles.
In contrast to that, Porsche supply their European driving schools with brand new cars each year, they don't have time to drive 1500km 'break in' miles on 30-40 cars. But they do make sure all the cars are up to temperature before students get in and abuse them. Mechanical failure rate of those school cars are almost nil. They have a higher rate of suffering body damage than engine failure. These school cars will be off to the secondary market after finishing the school season.
#799
I know enough to know that I should just follow the break-in guidance in the owner’s manual, and am not qualified to override or supplement that. There are too many opinions out there on this topic, often expressed with confidence by people who don’t design Porsche engines or engines in general.
#800
I have mags the turn in is fast imo esp with those LCA monoballed there is no play, but you are saving 21lbs of rotation mass. Again I don;t agree with some posters having had 18 porkers the steering and feel is great much better than my 991.2 Gt3 which I also monoball.
unless MAGS do really make the car feel so much better.
iguess if you compare it to a 992 GT car then not so fast but vs a 991.2 or GT4 the 4rS has much faster steering response and more feel dead centre.
As for WOT on 150 miles, one must be mad, these engines need running in right other wise you will be topping up oil 1l every week !
I think alcc has a dud one "Combined with slightly slow steering, makes the car feel a bit inert -- heavy footed" never read so much rubbish, please sell it.
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unless MAGS do really make the car feel so much better.
iguess if you compare it to a 992 GT car then not so fast but vs a 991.2 or GT4 the 4rS has much faster steering response and more feel dead centre.
As for WOT on 150 miles, one must be mad, these engines need running in right other wise you will be topping up oil 1l every week !
I think alcc has a dud one "Combined with slightly slow steering, makes the car feel a bit inert -- heavy footed" never read so much rubbish, please sell it.
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I do have mags. I said "slightly" and "a bit." Talking on the margins here. Not dumping on your treasured Porsche. No need to get offended.
Stop calling other people's opinions rubbish. You are not making yourself look smart.
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I got that guidance from the Porsche experience crew and from a Porsche lemans engineer himself, who I trust far more than the manual
No WOT neither baby load but try to keep it on medium loads
with a similar rpm guidance to the one posted above. A blanket "don't go beyond 7000rpm until 1500km and then pedal to the metal" is absurd ...but hey that is what the manual says...
Of course you and your gut feeling can to whatever you please ...
No WOT neither baby load but try to keep it on medium loads
with a similar rpm guidance to the one posted above. A blanket "don't go beyond 7000rpm until 1500km and then pedal to the metal" is absurd ...but hey that is what the manual says...
Of course you and your gut feeling can to whatever you please ...
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Second day of ownership, drove the car another 50 miles today.
Going from memory, without doing a back to back comparison, today the 4RS felt to me like a mid-engine 992 GT3 with a louder and more complex soundtrack, more aggressive PDK shifting, and a cozier 991-like cabin. Aside from the sound and shifting, I think the two cars are more alike than they're different. But they're differentiated enough that they don't compete with each other too much, and someone could justify owning both (as I have). I don't think either car is generally superior to the other, I put them right on the same tier.
I didn't do any WOT today, but the 4RS felt plenty fast to me.
Going from memory, without doing a back to back comparison, today the 4RS felt to me like a mid-engine 992 GT3 with a louder and more complex soundtrack, more aggressive PDK shifting, and a cozier 991-like cabin. Aside from the sound and shifting, I think the two cars are more alike than they're different. But they're differentiated enough that they don't compete with each other too much, and someone could justify owning both (as I have). I don't think either car is generally superior to the other, I put them right on the same tier.
I didn't do any WOT today, but the 4RS felt plenty fast to me.
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TOporschefan (05-01-2024)
#804
In order to help those who are common-sense challenged, I think the electronic rev limit is set to 7k rpm (down from 9k) prior to the oil being warm. Although 7k is still higher than I would hit with a cold engine...
#805
Explain. The break-in guidelines are about the rpms, not the amount of throttle. I'm lifting or upshifting before I get to 7k rpm, and staying at low revs until the engine is warm. What's the issue with full throttle if rpms are kept under 7k? Where is that guidance from Porsche? I'm rigorously following the break in guidance in the owner's manual.
build up the revs, never lug the engine and change gear a lot. Increase revs every 100 miles after the 1st 300miles. AP's told every one how to do it, forget the manual that's different in every country.
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Drove the 992 TTS (PASM) to work today. Ride quality of the 4RS is definitely better than the 992 TTS. The only thing which might keep the 4RS from the being a daily driver is the sound level.
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I haven't driven the 992 TTS with the regular suspension, so can't comment on that.
I had a 991.2 TTS and that definitely had the range of going from comfortable DD to track weapon.
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