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Old 04-18-2024, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 7184RS
So let me summarize… the technical data like: dyno charts, gearing, weight and wheel diameter, plus an equal condition test settles nothing …but your feeling does…
Do you click the links? Revs generally stay above 6-7k during full throttle runs. We're talking about how the car accelerates in the 2-6k range.

Have you driven a 4RS or 992 GT3?
Old 04-18-2024, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mrd_spy
what do you want ? a turbo car ? , the car does one up 2.6 seconds to 60 mph and 6.7 t o100 mph !! go drive an older 3.8 gt3 and then tell us the 4RS has no punch !! . There is no lack of midrange imo. yes the car makes power from 6k buy if you want that thump buy a F8 ffs or a 992 GTS.

you do talk crap. no one ever moaned about 997 GT3 and lack of punch did they and these car wee wee all over them and then some.
I have a 997.1 C2S. It has more mid-range punch than 4RS, despite having only about 350 hp peak. But the 4RS will be much faster in situations where revs are kept high, like the track and full throttle acceleration runs.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Do you click the links? Revs generally stay above 6-7k during full throttle runs. We're talking about how the car accelerates in the 2-6k range.

Have you driven a 4RS or 992 GT3?
Yes, I've driven a 4RS and a 991.1 RS (not the 992 GT3). And in any case, if I hadn't, just seeing the data I posted above is enough to know that there's no extra punch anywhere, and it is mostly people's sensations rather than an actual difference.
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Originally Posted by 7184RS
Yes, I've driven a 4RS and a 991.1 RS (not the 992 GT3). And in any case, if I hadn't, just seeing the data I posted above is enough to know that there's no extra punch anywhere, and it is mostly people's sensations rather than an actual difference.
What about this data? Sure looks like a dip in the torque and power curves to me.

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Originally Posted by Manifold
What about this data? Sure looks like a dip in the torque and power curves to me.

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Which does not exist here. There is also a gain with OAP, but the magnified dip is not there

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Originally Posted by 7184RS
Which does not exist here. There is also a gain with OAP, but the magnified dip is not there

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All I can say is that I drove my friend's 4RS three times at length on familiar local roads, and there was a distinct lack of mid range punch. I've driven lots of other cars on the same roads. And lots of people have the same perception of the 4RS as I do. I say all of this as someone who decided to buy the 4RS anyway, even with this lack of mid range punch; in a couple weeks, I'll be a 4RS owner.
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Old 04-18-2024, 11:56 AM
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thatsa lot more torque than a 997.1 911 :-)

My 4.0 GTS picks up better at 4k revs but is 2 seconds slower to 100mph. That's why I have both, one to daily one for fun, No one should daily a 4RS, it's that fun 3rd or 4th car.

not sure why people are moaning it's a GT3 engine in a Cayman FFS, some thing 90% people wanted now very few buy lol, I find it strange esp in the UK where all the moaning moaners moan about "not getting a slot" then once they are £10k below list no one picks them up. The moaners did not have the money in the 1st place it seems !
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Originally Posted by Manifold
All I can say is that I drove my friend's 4RS three times at length on familiar local roads, and there was a distinct lack of mid range punch. I've driven lots of other cars on the same roads. And lots of people have the same perception of the 4RS as I do. I say all of this as someone who decided to buy the 4RS anyway, even with this lack of mid range punch; in a couple weeks, I'll be a 4RS owner.
and you will realise it's a non issue, I have not noticed the lack of torque myself as wit ha short ratio PDK you can chage gear !!!! ANy one who moans is not changing gear lol it's always tjhe same. people moan about the Cayman R being crap at 2.5k rev lol

NO one ever moans about 997 GT cars which I actually thing make **** road cars. Hype and owners keep the hype up on those !!

IF you want punch you buy a 992 Turbo S or an F8 ! or even just a 992 GTS.
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Originally Posted by mrd_spy
and you will realise it's a non issue, I have not noticed the lack of torque myself as wit ha short ratio PDK you can chage gear !!!! ANy one who moans is not changing gear lol it's always tjhe same. people moan about the Cayman R being crap at 2.5k rev lol

NO one ever moans about 997 GT cars which I actually thing make **** road cars. Hype and owners keep the hype up on those !!

IF you want punch you buy a 992 Turbo S or an F8 ! or even just a 992 GTS.
Yes, I have a 992 TTS and McLaren 570. Everything else seems a bit weak by comparison.

But I don't see a lot of moaning about the 4RS, it's just honest discussion about the car, the good and the not so good. No car is perfect, there's always something that can be criticized.

Those who don't want the 4RS and can afford it are most likely deterred by the overall extremeness of the car, not the lack of mid range punch.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Yes, I have a 992 TTS and McLaren 570. Everything else seems a bit weak by comparison.

But I don't see a lot of moaning about the 4RS, it's just honest discussion about the car, the good and the not so good. No car is perfect, there's always something that can be criticized.

Those who don't want the 4RS and can afford it are most likely deterred by the overall extremeness of the car, not the lack of mid range punch.
Manifold it will be interesting to see how you feel once you get more time behind the wheel once your 4rs arrives. I find with the shorter gearing 5k rpm comes and goes by very quickly. Graphs may show the drop but as an owner of a 4RS I have not felt this. You have a great collection of cars so I don't discount your opinion just haven't noticed it myself. I have owned a 991.2 RS/992 Gt3. So far really enjoying the 4RS the size, the sound, the gearing all of it makes for a special and unique experience on its own.
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Feels strong to me but then again I've been driving a .1 GT3 for 4 years.
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Originally Posted by mrd_spy
what do you want ? a turbo car ? , the car does one up 2.6 seconds to 60 mph and 6.7 to 100 mph !! go drive an older 3.8 gt3 and then tell us the 4RS has no punch !! . There is no lack of midrange imo. yes the car makes power from 6k but if you want that thump buy a F8 ffs or a 992 GTS.

you do talk crap. no one ever moaned about 997 GT3 and lack of punch did they and these car wee wee all over them and then some in the mid range.
The difference is I have owned enough (all NA) cars to know what lack of midrange punch means. Go drive an F430 or a 458 before you talk.

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The difference is I have owned enough (all NA) cars to know what lack of midrange punch means. Go drive an F430 or a 458 before you talk.
4000cc and 6 cylinder vs +4000 cc and 8 cylinder...

We are comparing the same engine in 2 cars (992 GT3 and 4rs) with the same gear ratio and similar weigh and almost identical Dyno charts

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Originally Posted by 7184RS
4000cc and 6 cylinder vs +4000 cc and 8 cylinder...

We are comparing the same engine in 2 cars (992 GT3 and 4rs) with the same gear ratio and similar weigh and almost identical Dyno charts
Drove my 992 GT3 to work yesterday. Not back to back comparison, but I think maybe the GT3 pulls a little harder in the midrange, 4RS pulls a little harder near the top.
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Drove my 992 GT3 to work yesterday. Not back to back comparison, but I think maybe the GT3 pulls a little harder in the midrange, 4RS pulls a little harder near the top.
The drivetrain in my 991.2 Touring can't be beat. It's so much better than the PDK 4RS but I digress. Best drivetrain I've ever felt.

If your 992 GT3 PDK?


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