Originally Posted by Airbag997

Call me crazy. But I think Porsche will continue on with the ICE GT4 and RS alongside a BEV 718 for at least another decade, even beyond/indefinitely if they can get the economics on the synthetic fuel. BEV's are DOA and everyone with a IQ above room temp understands how impractical large scale adoption/implementation is for a myriad of technical and economical reasons.

Originally Posted by Whoopsy

Problem is that there is no new platform on the horizon for the Cayman/Boxster with normal engines.

The current one is shared with the 991 and there isn't a new one based off the 992. Their incoming platform is electric based.

If they continue to build more GT4RSs, it will still be on the same platform and same car, not another new version of GT4RS.

This is very different than they do a GT3, have a mid cycle facelift then another version of GT3, rinse and repeat. Pretty much same for GT3RS also.

Like I said, there was never one before, there will never be another one after, this is the one and only GT4RS. A unicorn so to speak, which is what's ticking those GT3 people off. There car isn't a unicorn, ours is.

But I mean having a GT3 isn't bad, like, if one doesn't live and sleep on the track 24/7 365, a GT3 is a far better car to live with than a GT3RS.

Originally Posted by Whoopsy

You did basically the same as me. I had a 992 GT3, and while I like the car, I don't love it, primary reason being it is a giant whale of a car. It doesn't matter how nice the front end is, it's still basically driving a very agile whale.

Like someone mentioned, this is the 7th generation of the GT3, with the 8th coming very soon. But there will only ever be 1 generation of GT4RS.

I also had a 458 Speciale, and the comparison is that the GT4RS is more raw than the Speciale. That one is a gentleman racer in a tuxedo suit, the GT4RS is more like one of those Red Bull extreme motorsport racer. The Speciale engine is a gem, but it's all about the exhaust note, but it loses to the even better 918 V8, THAT exhaust note is literally unbeatable. The GT4RS howl in a different way, the intake roar, before being processed by the engine, can't get any more raw than that.

I do runs up and down the Sea to Sky highway here with all my cars, the Speciale was very enjoyable, the Ferrari computer sort it out very nicely even if I get it a bit wrong, like, night time 5 degrees and raining wrong. Do I have the same trust with the GT4RS? Honestly no. Even when I kept a GT4CS as a track car that I ran a lot and I know how Cayman handles. The GT4RS can and will bite. Which makes it the most raw car Porsche made since, well, forever. It rewards capable drivers. Unlike 911s, the car doesn't need crazy trail braking, it mostly is about brake, turn in, hold the throttle and dance with it then exit, the car WANTS to rotate, so the job is to keep it from over rotating. Porsche tuned the suspension very well, lots of feedback, but skill is still needed.

Ferrari dialled back the rotation in the Speciale, it's more or less neutral or understeer that way, Ferrari knows their clients, and their skill limitations, if Ferrari didn't do that, half their clients will be all dead. Well, half of those that actually drive the car.

Now onto the 992 GT3. Well. Hmm. The car is way too big to have fun in the twisties even with a great turn in. a corner is much more than just the turn in. It's also about precisely placing the car where you want after. I simply can't have the confidence to place the passenger front where I want it to be. It feels completely foreign to me. That front passenger corner is literally in the next zip code. And the passenger rear fender is another 2 zip codes over. I am just not enjoy driving it. After I got mine, I went over to Europe to do a Porsche driving event in the Alps, Dolomites. In a 992 turbo S. Man that was a struggle. I drove those same roads every year before in a 991 turbo S and I am just not enjoying my time in a 992. it is WAY TOO BIG. Case in point, for my Porsche trip, a couple clients banged up the passenger rear fender on the side of the road against a wall and another with a road marker. I sold my 992 GT3 not long after I got back.

While I did took delivery of my 992 GT3RS a while ago, I find the 3RS even more comical to drive on the street. Very likely it won't stay for long. Even when it is the best riding 911 ever. (the adjustable shocks do wonders). Outside of a track, the 3RS isn't happy. The whale size plus the wing means I really can't go everywhere with it.

The Dakar, which I just did European delivery with, is the only 992 that make sense for the body size. The Dakar is not about precision but about fun so the body size is not a hinderance. I can't wait for it to get back.

Originally Posted by Whoopsy

Problem is that there is no new platform on the horizon for the Cayman/Boxster with normal engines.

The current one is shared with the 991 and there isn't a new one based off the 992. Their incoming platform is electric based.

If they continue to build more GT4RSs, it will still be on the same platform and same car, not another new version of GT4RS.

This is very different than they do a GT3, have a mid cycle facelift then another version of GT3, rinse and repeat. Pretty much same for GT3RS also.

Like I said, there was never one before, there will never be another one after, this is the one and only GT4RS. A unicorn so to speak, which is what's ticking those GT3 people off. There car isn't a unicorn, ours is.

But I mean having a GT3 isn't bad, like, if one doesn't live and sleep on the track 24/7 365, a GT3 is a far better car to live with than a GT3RS.

Originally Posted by Whoopsy

Ah, there you go again with the 'inferior' suspension..............

Wonder who will go faster, me in my 'inferior' GT4RS suspension or you in your Corvette🤔

Is there somewhere where the GT4RS is slower than a Corvette?

Originally Posted by jabwind51

I just drove a 992 GT3 and gotta say the front end is quite nice! WOW. Small part of me thought to trade the 4RS..but I was curious if there were other recent thoughts on the comparison from those who have owned both or gone back and forth? Also part of me felt that the 4RS is much more rare and it would be silly to trade since my local dealer had several GT3s on the lot. Zero 4RS.

Thanks for insight.

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I don't have a Corvette now, and my opinion is just that. Me mentioning the suspension was a small insert in my post. However good a driver you are ( I really don't care), ANY Cayman model is better with a true motorsport suspension on it.

I really don't see the purpose of your rely to my post.

Originally Posted by Manifold

I heard that my dealer had a couple customers who ordered a 4RS (presumably MSRP) and didn't like them (largely because of the sound level), so they returned them to the dealer (presumably also at MSRP). Not a car for everyone.

Originally Posted by TOporschefan

The sound is one of the things I love about my 4RS......

Originally Posted by Ksdaoski

I just drove the GT4rs 30mins on the freeway, and the noise is such a non issue.

Originally Posted by Ksdaoski

I just drove the GT4rs 30mins on the freeway, and the noise is such a non issue.

Originally Posted by Airbag997

Agreed. I drove my buddies home from C&C, 45 mins of mostly highway and the loudness is overblown IMO. Even cracking it on to 9k isn't unbearable. Maybe racing liter bikes for the past 15 years helped...So is the ride quality complaints, it's very compliant, at least in the Phoenix metro area with decent roads. Really not much different from my Spyder in ride quality.

Originally Posted by BlazinPond

Haha.
Likely because the last 1000 of your 2800 posts state the same nonsense. You're a broken record.

Beyond that, your biggest issue is you have zero credibility. You admit you don't track but yet come off as a suspension expert.
Honest question, do your on-ramps and public roads really give you any credibility on GT car suspension? I'll wait...

You admit you've never owned a 911 or 4RS. How can you make any comparison and bring any sort of credibility?
Yet, you manage to comment on threads both here and on the GT3 forum frequently.
At first i thought your trolling... but after 1000+ posts, your rather persistent and may lack some awareness.