Avera

I wonder if this is why the 718 is so prone to drone?

Avera

Whoopsy

I have driven a Cayman R but never owned one. I have always felt Caymans are too under powered for my liking until the 4RS. Now it's perfect. Not too little and not too much.

And what 'mess' you talking about the rear end of the 4RS? If you think it's too lively, well, that's what I like. I enjoy testing my reflexes and the 4RS is super rewarding to me on my favourite mountain roads. The smaller car makes it a winner over anything in my garage atm. It's a proper driver's car.

Whoopsy

FYI, in case you didn't know, the 981/982 Cayman/Boxster share the same platform as the 991. just about everything forward of the firewall on the Cayman is shared with the 991. And the 981/982 is stiffer than the 991 is because the firewall is more forward bracing the chassis, unlike in a 99 where the firewall is all the way in the very back, the 'opening' is much smaller in the 981/982.

Porsche didn't put a carbon roof in the 4RS is for cost reason and nothing else. If they wanted to they can. But why jack up the MSRP by another 12-15k? It's just a 'cover', the strength came from the cross brace between the windshield pillars and the side roof rails front to back. Not from the cosmetic cover.

Dizzy1127

The gt4rs is a big purchase for some. Having someone willing to document their experience through time with their gt4rs on its own and in comparison to similar and not so similar cars may be informative to others before jumping in. If you dont want to read his particular posts, skip it. The thread will tend towards similar things as its the same car we are talking about. Thank you Manifold for continuing to share your thoughts.

Whoopsy

Love that you used the word tolerable haha

I have done plenty of 4000+km road trips in buckets. Doesn't mean I prefer them, it means I can tolerate them. 5 of those in the 918 in North America, 1 of those each in a 911R and a GT2RS during European deliveries. Another in a 991 GT3RS in North America. Those seats are 'better' inside a 911 body, as it's leaning slightly more backward than in a 918.

I don't have a big frame, so in the buckets I can still slide around a bit. Since the 18 way can be adjusted to a tighter fitment than the fixed bucket for thigh and waist, I am more secured in the sofa than the bucket.

The bucket only shines when one can fit 6 point. That's the only time for me it fits tighter than sofas. But then again it's mostly the work of the belts and not the seats.

C2 Turbo

Ran into a guy here in Louisville at "Cars at the Commons" who replaced the Cayman engine with RS one, sounded great though. Asked him If i could sit to see how it felt, was told no sir, If i did than I would have to let everyone sit in it ---LOL---what ever

Thought would have asked him to take me out for a spin, but with the above mentioed reply, decided not to

alcc

Does not feel like a 500HP, 330ft-lb engine to me -- especially not in a 1400 Kg car.

Dizzy1127

In terms of generalizations, his comment is true, we all wear down with progression in age, albeit at different rates, hence you will find a larger proportion in the 70 year old bracket intolerant to stiff, minimally padded seating than in the 20 year old cohort. Individuals that maintained good core strength, flexibility, posture, had minimal trauma and/or with some genetic luck /pain perception variability sprinkled in, will be exceptions.
The population that can purchase these vehicles is in the higher income/socioeconomic bracket, and given the higher correlation of self care and health awareness with higher income groups, it wouldnt be surprising if there is a higher percentage in the porsche group that can tolerate lwbs than the general population.

Drifting

Tolerable is one of those concise terms used in medicine which leaves out some nuance. I agree with the 911 body. A little extra recline makes a big difference and plenty of space for that in the 911. I loved the extra recline in the 458, much more comfortable than the 812 as a result.

How do you do with long stretches in your GT4RS? I noticed those 18 way seats don't recline much. Do you use an insert or pillow in your car?

I agree with the belts vs LWB. A standard porsche LWB with standard belts doesn't help that much despite all the chest thumping about LWB on RL. An aftermarket racing bucket and 6 ways is a true track set up, not a C&C setup.

Whoopsy

I don't sit in cars with straight legs. I raised the front of the seat all the way up, back of the seat all the way down. So I am like sitting in a cradle and will have a tough time sliding forward even in an aggressive braking event. That posture allowed me to slide the seat more forward, and creating more room for the seat back to lean back as a result. In any case, the seat back isn't leaning that far back, I lean it enough to get both my arms to bend more or less 90 degree at the elbow when holding wheel at 9 and 3.

This driving posture is like the first thing they teach at Porsche's European driving schools. No extended legs or arms, those are the worse for leverage. The bend leg is especially important in race cars, braking is about how much PSI one can apply to the pedal, street cars relies more on travel until one hits ABS. Bend elbows means the arms are quicker in turning the wheel, important when catching a loose tail😉

Drifting

Odin. I agree with you statement as Porsche GT car drivers are generally fitter and slimmer than the average population. Certainly something I considered with my post.

Manifold, Avera


OMG, The arrogance and ignorance from both of you is astounding. As I stated previously, I'm a Harvard trained spine specialist. I understand the spine better than 99.9% of the population, certainly including you. Do you think my comment was made off the cuff (like yours)?
This is why I'm fortunate to now make more money from non clinical activities than medicine. It is exasperating to treat people like you both, who come in after reading a single medical article on the internet,and then proceed to instruct me exactly how to treat them? I find this more common in business owners and c-suite execs as they feel they are the boss of the world, and know everything because they get to tell their employees what to do.

I know at least one of you owns their own business. Personally, I would never speak with an someone about their business with anything but respect......because it's not my area of expertise. If the reasoning behind that is not obvious, then to use another medical term, you both lack insight.

Hwy

The anonymity of a keyboard forum allows everyone to have an opinion. I agree that we can disagree in polite and not so polite ways. Given we all want to learn on this forum it is a shame it turns into a catfight more times than it should. Surely if your opinion differs from what someone typed you do not need to trash talk them.
Peace brothers!!!

Simon29

As has been said, it’s easy for tone etc to be misinterpreted on a forum. Maybe Manifold’s comments were said with arrogance, I can’t be sure, but it’s not how I interpreted them. They’re just sharing their personal observations about people’s tolerance of LWBs. You clearly understand the spine better than the majority on here, but your comments about others you know not tolerating them also seemed more like a subjective observation rather than a controlled study. Which is fine and the whole point of forums.

Maybe we should conduct a double blinded RCT to get to the bottom of it Although comfort and back pain are so subjective to begin with, that finding some objective outcomes to assess wouldn’t be easy..

My GT4RS is due for delivery later this year, so I hope to add some of my own driving impressions at some point!

mrd_spy

I know feels way more ;-)

7184RS

You know that it is more about feelings than actual numbers. Facts and figures are overrated