RDCR

Endless is going in my car next week. I remember brake fade at Laguna with the Cayman R on OEM fluid. Ruined a track day for me. Never again.

alcc

[QUOTE=Manifold;19531990
I feel like the rear pressures increase more than the front pressures every time I drive the car.[/QUOTE]

Yes, on mine as well.

TheBucketOfTruth

It makes sense especially if we're talking about on the road. That's where the majority of the weight is. Also gets much hotter back there. Same thing for me on GT4 the rears go up considerably on the way to the canyons and the front just a couple PSI until I actually start driving on the twisty bits. The rears don't just increase more but sooner as well.

mwar99

I’m not so sure that’s true based on people I’ve spoken with and seen driving with LWB.

ChrisF

It's highly subjective. By all accounts, I should hate LWB's (55, most of my L5 disk is gone). Yet, I have done 7hr+ road trips in both 997/991 gen LWB's and love them.

Much like our different preferences for cars, our butts have their own preferences too

Drifting

I’m a Harvard trained spine specialist. My opinion is based on science and treating over ten thousand patients.

Yours is mostly confirmation bias from your local DE/C&C community.

However, I’m glad that many of your friends are enjoy their buckets. I agree that LWB has noticeable driving advantages, if tolerable to the driver.

Manifold

But the people you treat have problems, and hence not a representative sample of the general population. And the people driving sports cars, especially Porsche GT, are likely fitter than average and therefore not representative of the population in the other direction.

JAhmed

LOL really?

TheBucketOfTruth

I don't think this argument is worth it. The seats will work for some and not for others. Some will tolerate them for their pros and cons, others won't have much downside. The only discomfort I seem to get after a long day of driving is actually my right knee lately. From not being extended far enough it would seem. As for the seat itself maybe for a long trip a thin lumbar pillow would be smart, but aside from that and being super upright the seats are great. The older seats like in 997 are not nearly as comfortable for me personally. But every person's body is put together and laid out a little different, so not much will come from a back and forth about how good the seats are or are not. I'm glad one person could work in their alma mater so you know they aren't a chiropractor who got an online degree and that both of you can say that the other's respective data sets are skewed in one direction or another.

Odin

That’s my perception also. Drivers of GT Porsches attending track days are generally slim built and fitter than the average population. Especially considering the majority of them are +40 yrs old.

Avera

You would think a 'Harvard trained spine specialist' would know that . . .

Avera

mrd_spy

If you are fat, like sitting bolt upright and never wear a helmet the lwb are great ;-)

why Porsche spend so much money on heavy crap seats over fitting a recaro pole which would save tones of weight and get the 4rs under 1400kg is odd. Merc always fit leather pole's to their gt models. They go on about weight saving then make a lwb which weighs more than the outgoing folding bucket, they are a joke some times. Easy nock 100lbs out the 4rs with zero effort but then spend £1000,s on a gt3 going from mag roof to carbon roof etc which saves nothing. AP talks so much bull**** on every new model it’s now cringe, Porsche make money not cars these days. Shame the 4Rs did not have a carbon roof though option though.
Thing is on any car be it a £30k bmw or a £200k Porsche you always have to spend £50k on the 6 main **** parts they all fit.
brakes , wheels, exhaust, seats, battery, shocks. If the 4 RS is the best they can do it’s a poor effort, even the MR car is a poor effort and just a rip off. WP also a rip off. But you fit the parts and Porsche won’t warranty the car after 3 years is up which now days scares every one. Esp GT4’s which need 4 padm parts every year!

my 996 gt3 seats were mega and very light. I speced folding buckets in my 991.2 GT3 because they are tighter lighter and heated. The new ones are pretty poor you even just look at them the bolsters crease lol total tat and not helmet friendly.

owners do have rose tinted specs on, be it Ferrari, Macca, Porsche , bmw etc.

7184RS

That is the demand ...and that is what they do...GT buyers nowadays do care about the car not being harsh on the street, not noisy, colour stitching and **** like that ...
Instead of offering true lightweight options they offer sofas....Take as example a SRS... No aero...softer ...
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Taffy66

FYI there is genuine engineering reason on why the GT4/4RS can’t have a carbon roof or even a sunroof. The roof on the Cayman is part of the structural body in white and contributes to the structural integrity of the car. When the original Cayman was launched it had the highest torsional rigidity of any production car equalling the Bugatti Veyron.
In complete contrast 991/992s are modular design where the roof is not part of the original body in white. The Carbon roof, Pano roof and Steel sunroof are slotted in later to the exact body in white. The Cayman is a more rigid design compared to the 911 and always has been.
The 4RS is too hardcore for some and requires a higher level of driving skill to extract the best out of it. Less able drivers would be better served with the 992GT3 which really mollycoddles the driver in comparison.

7184RS

I think this is the key. Lots of complaints... but it is a car that with less aero, no rear directional axis and ****ty OEM geometries is really close (if not the same ) in terms of track times as a 992 GT3 or a 991.2 RS....

The "991/992 GT3 I will do everything for you syndrome....and you might be able to shine in trackdays.."