Archimedes

For sure. It's because Porsche didn't spend the time to adapt the RS design cues to the style of the Cayman. They just slapped on 911 style parts and called it good. It looks like a bad aftermarket body kit IMO.

nobbyv

https://www.businessinsider.com/buga...veyron-2013-10

But you're right, it's "so dumb" of me to think they might lose money on GT cars.

I never said anything about building for collectors. I want to reach across the screen and head slap the people that misattribute statements on here.

raymort

Yep! Each biz unit, I’m sure, is required to show a profit and justify all expenses. People seem to have a large expectation of expenses to put a tranny and an engine together. Computer tech has come a long way. If you look at the actual marginal cost for the raw equipment that goes into a GT car, it would likely be less than 20k.

nobbyv

https://www.businessinsider.com/buga...veyron-2013-10

That is clearly not true.

raymort

Well, I was referring to a well run public company.

It appears Bugatti follows the Haas biz model to lose money on stupid stuff.

steve0827

The Veyron comparison is apples to oranges. Production started in ~2005, which was a pre-financial crisis and pre-Dieselgate. We're in a very different time now. They also only produced ~450 (that's what the internet says) Veyrons over 6-8 years of production. At the risk of triggering some of you, GT cars aren't that limited production

nobbyv

You guys are missing the point. I suggested that Porsche wasn't too concerned with making money on GT cars. It seems I was likely incorrect, according to AP. However, I was roundly derided as being "dumb" for even suggesting it, and told that "every Porsche busniess unit must show a profit". This is clearly not true. Bugatti is a business unit of Porsche, and at least up until the Chiron was introduced five years ago, was losing money on every car they sell.

Diablo Dude

Love your comments.
Keep them coming!

electron mike

Did you even read the article you linked about Bugatti or just the headline? They made up a statement about profitability without any supporting data that was directly disproved by Bugatti.

"According to a recent report from Wall Street research firm Bernstein Research, Bugatti (and its parent company Volkswagen) loses a whopping $6.24 million for every Veyron it sells.

Take that number with a big grain of salt. The authors of the report warn, "Don't take these numbers too seriously," explaining that their estimates "are obviously very, very approximate."
"A spokesperson for Bugatti said the company does not supply financial data, but added, " The quoted figures of Bernstein Research are not plausible."

usctrojanGT3

It's what's inside that counts.

jo_ker

My one will come April.2022
Should be one of the first cars.

Germany. "just" 20k€ over

Each dealer gets around 4 cars in 2022. i guess in Germany not more than 350 GT4RS within 2022. (2023 my guess is x2)

it´s a "cheap" but superb funcar - thats why i guess we see same or higher ADM´s as on a 992GT3 or even more.
i said to myself - f*ck the "you have to buy also a 9k€ watch and a taycan after you begged to everybody... just pay over and be happy + drive a lot!

further i guess the MSRP in 2023/2024 will be at minimum 20k€ higher. so waiting for more allocation is also not the best idea.

and 2024... i have no idea if i - or even the world will be still alive!?

nobbyv

Yes, I read the article. So even if it's actually 1/4 of $6M, that's still a loss, right?

What's your source for "directly disproved"? How can it be "directly disproved" if the company does not supply financial data?

electron mike

Holy cow dude. They have no data, it's made up. Could be 10M + or 10M -.


Uhh, statement from Bugatti says its not plausible. Ignore button activated!

nobbyv

They didn't say that losing money was not plausible. They said that losing $6.24M was not plausible.

TXshaggy

This is an allocation thread; think we’ve had enough Bugatti and associated profit/loss discussions. Commendable google searches though.


Please try to get back on topic.