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The problem is that the folks that are the ones that pay the big ADMs effect the pricing for everyone else. If no one paid ADMs guess what....they wouldn't exist.
Thing is, you are one of the lucky ones at MSRP. Good for you, and genuinely happy for all that scored one at MSRP. Question, what do you propose for the rest of us? The demand is greater than supply, that is a fact. So, a lottery perhaps and take our chances? Will you give up your MSRP allocation and enter the lottery? Didn't think so.
Not my market but curious if that is a MY23 and does it include the new price increase?
So yesterday I was told that it would be a MY2023. I'd want to verify that though just to be sure.
Originally Posted by Chartreuse
Ben, do you know how long the production run of the GT4RS is supposed to be? Is MY24 the last year?
You seem to be pretty tight with the dealers. Thanks.
I'm tight with my dealer contacts but I haven't been asking much about the potential for a M25. I'd have to ask a bunch of my guys and see what kind of feedback I get.
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Here’s a dealer email I received for a 201k MSRP 4rs sitting in the showroom.
We will pull these messages in the next economic downturn when news channels are showing car dealerships going bankrupt and car salesman crying that they cannot pay their mortgage as they did in 2008. I still remember those days. Karma is a bitch, what goes around does eventually come around.
Thing is, you are one of the lucky ones at MSRP. Good for you, and genuinely happy for all that scored one at MSRP. Question, what do you propose for the rest of us? The demand is greater than supply, that is a fact. So, a lottery perhaps and take our chances? Will you give up your MSRP allocation and enter the lottery? Didn't think so.
We will pull these messages in the next economic downturn when news channels are showing car dealerships going bankrupt and car salesman crying that they cannot pay their mortgage as they did in 2008. I still remember those days. Karma is a bitch, what goes around does eventually come around.
i think a lot of people would be surprised to know that the majority of SA's are commission-capped. whether they sell it to you for 50 over or 150 over, they make the same. they just have to offer whatever price their GSM / GM / Dealer Principal says. SA's are literally order takers lol. the ones making the crazy $$$ are the dealer principals / parent company (i.e. autonation). i'd honestly be happier knowing that an ADM i paid goes to a SA i know and like working with rather than to Lithia Motors c-suite
We will pull these messages in the next economic downturn when news channels are showing car dealerships going bankrupt and car salesman crying that they cannot pay their mortgage as they did in 2008. I still remember those days. Karma is a bitch, what goes around does eventually come around.
Spewing misinformation, without any research, as long as it fits your narrative, just doesn't fit with your smartest guy in the room persona.
Here are some facts for ya':
881 New Car Dealers closed during the financial crisis of 2008. There are 18,220 New Car Dealers. So yeah, let's have another financial meltdown so all these sleaze ball dealers can get there comeuppance for charging ADM's and another .5% of them will go bankrupt and close. That'll sure show em'!
Thing is, you are one of the lucky ones at MSRP. Good for you, and genuinely happy for all that scored one at MSRP. Question, what do you propose for the rest of us? The demand is greater than supply, that is a fact. So, a lottery perhaps and take our chances? Will you give up your MSRP allocation and enter the lottery? Didn't think so.
I'm not saying that it's easy and the majority of people pay ADMs for the GT3s and GT4RSs because of demand being greater than supply. I think maybe a fair way to go about giving out MSRP allocations would be a lottery style system where you get more ping pong ***** based upon the number of cars that you've purchased over the years (sorta like the NBA draft lotto). In the perfect world, US Porsche dealers would sell their GT cars for MSRP like in Canada and the rest of the world and they would prioritize their good and/or local customers and anyone who flips their GT car/s within 6-12 months gets blacklisted from future GT cars. Believe me, if my local dealerships would sell their GT cars to me for MSRP I would give them all of my business in terms of buying non-GT cars and even servicing the cars that I bought from them but alas all the 2 closets local dealers are AutoNation vampire stealers who I wouldn't buy a bottle of water from even if I was dying of thirst.
Believe me, if my local dealerships would sell their GT cars to me for MSRP I would give them all of my business in terms of buying non-GT cars and even servicing the cars that I bought from them but alas all the 2 closets local dealers are AutoNation vampire stealers who I wouldn't buy a bottle of water from even if I was dying of thirst.
Which came first... the chicken (GT-Car) or the egg (non-GT-car)?
It seems/sounds like your expectations are not realistic. Would you buy a 120K Loaded Macan GTS, Today, at MSRP on the promise that someday (with no promise of when) they'll let you get a GT product at msrp? I'll answer for you... NO, no you wouldn't! Just like you shouldn't expect them to sell you a GT product at MSRP on the promise you'll only buy and service cars from/with them from now on. They already have more customers that do that than the allocations they get. Why should they risk already stable relationships on the word of someone who's not a loyal customer?
Last edited by HooosierDaddy; 04-03-2023 at 09:33 PM.
I'm not saying that it's easy and the majority of people pay ADMs for the GT3s and GT4RSs because of demand being greater than supply. I think maybe a fair way to go about giving out MSRP allocations would be a lottery style system where you get more ping pong ***** based upon the number of cars that you've purchased over the years (sorta like the NBA draft lotto). In the perfect world, US Porsche dealers would sell their GT cars for MSRP like in Canada and the rest of the world and they would prioritize their good and/or local customers and anyone who flips their GT car/s within 6-12 months gets blacklisted from future GT cars. Believe me, if my local dealerships would sell their GT cars to me for MSRP I would give them all of my business in terms of buying non-GT cars and even servicing the cars that I bought from them but alas all the 2 closets local dealers are AutoNation vampire stealers who I wouldn't buy a bottle of water from even if I was dying of thirst.
You'd be surprised that isn't quite the case anymore.
Recently, there is a new line item on the BoS, 'performance package', not added by Porsche Canada but by the dealers, a few thousand dollars, ADM in another name.
04-03-2023 | 07:10 AM
