Originally Posted by ilovegt

I am getting worried about the current economics. So I am thinking about just waited it out for 1 more year and does anyone foresee the car can be had near at MSRP?

Originally Posted by welikethetrack

I foresee MSRP happening. I also foresee the gluttonous amount of 992 Gt3's going sub sticker quicker than you would believe. These small independent greaser dealers (think grand prix motors) are sinking so fast right now with the turning tides lowering values that they won't be able to feed the car frenzy of 2021 and 2022 anymore...They'll also most likely face a certain doom I don't wish upon them, but is going to be the reality given used car price index's almost certain collapse on top of high interest rates/carrying costs.

Sports car's are absolutely terrible terrible financial decisions, you will lose a lot of money buying, using and selling them. They are luxury goods, meant to be enjoyed. Once the posers who can't really afford these cars and greaser dealers unload their GT cars as the tide is going out, it will be wild how many are for sale.

GT cars are pretty much a dime a dozen at this point, RS included. Won't stop me from buying and enjoying them for years and years to come.

History repeats itself over and over, 2016 saw gt3rs for 100-150k over, 2019 saw gt3rs for 50k+ over....Both were 30k-50k under sticker by summer 2019. On top of sales tax, registration, insurance, then taking a 80-200k bath on depreciation, that is a true kick to the nuts. The ADM warriors (dealers in disguise + ADM suckas) will tell you this time is different... Your only decision is whether to believe them or not.

What's funny, is I believe a significant portion won't even want the GT4rs (or gt3) anymore once they get back down to sticker again. The hype train captures a lot of noobies that probably wouldn't be interested in the car to begin with (think rolex, no one gave a F when you could walk down and get whatever you wanted...)

Originally Posted by cooler2442

Here's the thing, people have been concerned about the economy and shouting up/down that this car and GT3's will be MSRP for about a year. Where are we now? GT3's still 50-60k over MSRP and 4RS's 65k+. You basically need to decide if paying the ADM you're paying will make or break you and if you're okay losing it in the next 1-3 years when you actually decide to sell the car.

That simple, no one can predict the future.

Originally Posted by Prime

To be fair a year ago we thought the economy and unemployment would be much worse than it currently is.

In my market used prices of 992 GT3's are falling quickly as more and more come to the market with buyers unwilling to pay such a premium.
They probably won't go MSRP or below until the 992.1 comes out due to the high demand and carefully planned limited supply,
but it is evident that ADM's for 4RS are slowing with lots of heavily optioned 4RS going to US dealers because they couldn't get their 75-100k ADM months ago.

Hell even ADM's across GTS / GT4's plummeted with a fraction of MY23 output compared to previous years.

Originally Posted by welikethetrack

I foresee MSRP happening. I also foresee the gluttonous amount of 992 Gt3's going sub sticker quicker than you would believe.

Originally Posted by Prime

Hell even ADM's across GTS / GT4's plummeted with a fraction of MY23 output compared to previous years.

Originally Posted by Diablo Dude

Data Point: A 2023 GT4RS dealer spec'd car on the showroom floor of my local dealer with an MSRP of $201,000 sold for $281,000 two weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Prime

Despite my earlier comments, I do think the 4RS will never go to original MSRP price anywhere in the world unless there is either some major depression or they pump out enough supply to near demand.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

What will really be interesting to see what happens if what will the flooring lenders do? I believe that they will tighten things up which will force both franchised dealers and non-franchise dealers to sell their current inventory sooner rather than later. That will begin to put pressure on car prices. The banking industry is going to tighten up lending standards across the board, for both businesses and individuals.

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

2024 allocation available for 65k over msrp in the Northeast if anyone is interested.
Montana LLC ok
PTS should be back on the table for 2024 model

DM me if you want the broker's contact info.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by cooler2442

Here's the thing, people have been concerned about the economy and shouting up/down that this car and GT3's will be MSRP for about a year. Where are we now? GT3's still 50-60k over MSRP and 4RS's 65k+. You basically need to decide if paying the ADM you're paying will make or break you and if you're okay losing it in the next 1-3 years when you actually decide to sell the car.

That simple, no one can predict the future.