Kline 718 GT4/Spyder exhaust
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Since installing my Kline (Inconel) system - I've had my valve collars set at the most conservative position and have really enjoyed the exhaust note, natural progression of sound (loudness) and nuances/sophistication. I've got about 1200 miles on it now and from reading a lot of comments here I felt I needed to play with the collars a bit.
A few days ago I set them to "full open"... and went for a good drive around town, then out to the country and back home on the highway to get various driving scenarios. I live at the bottom of a hill and my first impression was climbing up the hill from my house in 2nd gear - the boominess (between 2k and 3k) RPM almost immediately gave me a headache. It wasn't just light, it's quite overwhelming. The remainder of the drive I found myself trying to avoid that RPM range which is really hard to do under most driving scenarios. It actually ruined the whole experience for me and I promptly set the collars back to the position I had them originally. Today I took the car out again for a drive and was back to loving the exhaust again. Zero boominess between 2-3k...
At WOT and aggressive driving having the valves locked open was certainly more aggressive sounding in the lower RPM range, but anything above 4k and it's no different to my current set up with the valves kept open only slightly. In the lower range with the valves held open you lost all the beautiful tone and sound I love about this exhaust - it's just drowned out by that boominess (I'd actually call it heavy drone) between 2-3k RPM. It's obvious why Porsche designed the valves to always close between that range.
Just my personal opinion of course, and I'm sure Uncle Dude and I are in the minority here in our more "tame" valve set up... perhaps the amount of patience I have for boomy exhausts is now set extremely low after driving a supercharged S2000 with headers, high flow cat and Miltek exhaust for 5 years
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A few days ago I set them to "full open"... and went for a good drive around town, then out to the country and back home on the highway to get various driving scenarios. I live at the bottom of a hill and my first impression was climbing up the hill from my house in 2nd gear - the boominess (between 2k and 3k) RPM almost immediately gave me a headache. It wasn't just light, it's quite overwhelming. The remainder of the drive I found myself trying to avoid that RPM range which is really hard to do under most driving scenarios. It actually ruined the whole experience for me and I promptly set the collars back to the position I had them originally. Today I took the car out again for a drive and was back to loving the exhaust again. Zero boominess between 2-3k...
At WOT and aggressive driving having the valves locked open was certainly more aggressive sounding in the lower RPM range, but anything above 4k and it's no different to my current set up with the valves kept open only slightly. In the lower range with the valves held open you lost all the beautiful tone and sound I love about this exhaust - it's just drowned out by that boominess (I'd actually call it heavy drone) between 2-3k RPM. It's obvious why Porsche designed the valves to always close between that range.
Just my personal opinion of course, and I'm sure Uncle Dude and I are in the minority here in our more "tame" valve set up... perhaps the amount of patience I have for boomy exhausts is now set extremely low after driving a supercharged S2000 with headers, high flow cat and Miltek exhaust for 5 years
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Here’s my video of this setup, just after I installed it:
Last edited by UncleDude; 07-06-2024 at 09:26 PM.
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Perhaps I am the odd one here, but with full flash control of my valves, I tend to drive with them closed in urban/daily driving. Whilst I love the open mode in spirited driving, I find it a bit much around town, esp with the added mechanical sound from shorter gearing. Kline sounds great in either open or closed. I also think it sounds different in Cayman vs Boxter.
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All very interesting, the last few comments by folks with valves closed or only partially open. Now I am curious about how the Kline will sound with the vacuum lines connected and OEM valve control. I guess I will give it a try once I get the hanger bracket that the shop broke during installation. I didn’t realize that the exhaust tone actually changes with valves open vs closed. I like Uncle’s video. That sounds very civilized. Mine is more raucous. Refined is better IMO. Quality over quantity any time.
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Since installing my Kline (Inconel) system - I've had my valve collars set at the most conservative position and have really enjoyed the exhaust note, natural progression of sound (loudness) and nuances/sophistication. I've got about 1200 miles on it now and from reading a lot of comments here I felt I needed to play with the collars a bit.
A few days ago I set them to "full open"... and went for a good drive around town, then out to the country and back home on the highway to get various driving scenarios. I live at the bottom of a hill and my first impression was climbing up the hill from my house in 2nd gear - the boominess (between 2k and 3k) RPM almost immediately gave me a headache. It wasn't just light, it's quite overwhelming. The remainder of the drive I found myself trying to avoid that RPM range which is really hard to do under most driving scenarios. It actually ruined the whole experience for me and I promptly set the collars back to the position I had them originally. Today I took the car out again for a drive and was back to loving the exhaust again. Zero boominess between 2-3k...
At WOT and aggressive driving having the valves locked open was certainly more aggressive sounding in the lower RPM range, but anything above 4k and it's no different to my current set up with the valves kept open only slightly. In the lower range with the valves held open you lost all the beautiful tone and sound I love about this exhaust - it's just drowned out by that boominess (I'd actually call it heavy drone) between 2-3k RPM. It's obvious why Porsche designed the valves to always close between that range.
Just my personal opinion of course, and I'm sure Uncle Dude and I are in the minority here in our more "tame" valve set up... perhaps the amount of patience I have for boomy exhausts is now set extremely low after driving a supercharged S2000 with headers, high flow cat and Miltek exhaust for 5 years
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A few days ago I set them to "full open"... and went for a good drive around town, then out to the country and back home on the highway to get various driving scenarios. I live at the bottom of a hill and my first impression was climbing up the hill from my house in 2nd gear - the boominess (between 2k and 3k) RPM almost immediately gave me a headache. It wasn't just light, it's quite overwhelming. The remainder of the drive I found myself trying to avoid that RPM range which is really hard to do under most driving scenarios. It actually ruined the whole experience for me and I promptly set the collars back to the position I had them originally. Today I took the car out again for a drive and was back to loving the exhaust again. Zero boominess between 2-3k...
At WOT and aggressive driving having the valves locked open was certainly more aggressive sounding in the lower RPM range, but anything above 4k and it's no different to my current set up with the valves kept open only slightly. In the lower range with the valves held open you lost all the beautiful tone and sound I love about this exhaust - it's just drowned out by that boominess (I'd actually call it heavy drone) between 2-3k RPM. It's obvious why Porsche designed the valves to always close between that range.
Just my personal opinion of course, and I'm sure Uncle Dude and I are in the minority here in our more "tame" valve set up... perhaps the amount of patience I have for boomy exhausts is now set extremely low after driving a supercharged S2000 with headers, high flow cat and Miltek exhaust for 5 years
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Sir that Post ^^^ you did was very informative to me.
It seriously reminds me of the SOUL V1 (Version 1) "Rear-Exhaust-System" and having to drive around the SUPER-ANNOYING drone/booming range.
I did that ^^^ for almost 2-years and got Really-really good with my PDK 718 GT4 staying away from that annoying RPM range.
Then thankfully SOUL did, finally, introduce the V2 (Version 2) "Rear-Exhaust-System" that I have.
It's ^^^ a Major improvement !!!
I am glad you did your Post and you were honest about what you found.
See the example below it is 30-minutes long so you can and do get exactly what it sounds like while driving.
SOUL PERFORMANCE V2 EXHAUST, PERFORMANCE OAP, SOUND SYMPOSER DELETE, CARGRAPHICS VALVE CONTROLLER
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Does anyone have video/audio of the Kline with factory valve programming? I have only heard valves open or partially open.
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This is valves open. I would say closed is about 10% louder than OEM over 4000rpm, but under 4000rpm in closed it sounds about the same, but very smooth and sophisticated. It is difficult to say for sure due to the complete difference in tone between OEM and Kline.
Here is a re-post of extended open mode.
Here is a re-post of extended open mode.
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I went for a long drive this afternoon ( Boxster, top down)and tried to replicate the drone and resonance that Mr. Funk referred to in his description of the sound characteristics( with the values locked open). I must not be sensitive to drone or resonance because what I heard at low rpm was some mild boomy sound and a little drone but pretty unremarkable. I drove at 2k rpms and partial application of the throttle produced this effect but was not too annoying to my hearing. For example, even in sixth at 50 mph, the drone was minimal and application of the throttle didn’t produce an intolerable and off-putting boomy sound. Some but very livable for me. I even had the PSE switch on for intake sound and it was very enjoyable. There is a very nice hum to the exhaust sound.
I usually don't do much highway driving in my Boxster but I will try an hour or so tomorrow to see how drony it gets at a steady 70-75 mph.
The sound at low rpm with the open valves is superb with pops and crackles and no abrupt transition in volume above 4-5k rpms although it does get much louder to my ears. The low rpm sound also drowns out the noisy chirping from the fuel injectors. Higher rpm sound is of course much higher pitched than the low rpm noise.
If the Kline with closed valves sounds as quiet as OEM, then it won’t work for me although I should experiment with it. That setup was so inert & antispetic to me in a sports car.
I usually don't do much highway driving in my Boxster but I will try an hour or so tomorrow to see how drony it gets at a steady 70-75 mph.
The sound at low rpm with the open valves is superb with pops and crackles and no abrupt transition in volume above 4-5k rpms although it does get much louder to my ears. The low rpm sound also drowns out the noisy chirping from the fuel injectors. Higher rpm sound is of course much higher pitched than the low rpm noise.
If the Kline with closed valves sounds as quiet as OEM, then it won’t work for me although I should experiment with it. That setup was so inert & antispetic to me in a sports car.
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@subwoofer - do you have the SS version or Inconel? I wonder if that produces enough difference in resonance for us to have different experiences?? There's certainly a 2-3k boominess that I know others have noticed with the Inconel system with the valves open. I also agree that it's worse when the system is cold...
@tigerhonaker - great vid! Your exhaust sounds great! I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video... love the shoes!!!![rockon](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/rockon.gif)
@tigerhonaker - great vid! Your exhaust sounds great! I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video... love the shoes!!!
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@subwoofer - do you have the SS version or Inconel? I wonder if that produces enough difference in resonance for us to have different experiences?? There's certainly a 2-3k boominess that I know others have noticed with the Inconel system with the valves open. I also agree that it's worse when the system is cold...
@tigerhonaker - great vid! Your exhaust sounds great! I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video... love the shoes!!!![rockon](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/rockon.gif)
@tigerhonaker - great vid! Your exhaust sounds great! I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video... love the shoes!!!
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Last edited by subwoofer; 07-07-2024 at 08:43 PM.
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@RoadrunnerGTS that sounds fantastic!
Subwoofer if you dig around my youtube channel you’ll see three videos with stock valve operation.
Subwoofer if you dig around my youtube channel you’ll see three videos with stock valve operation.
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I've never liked the OEM low rpm sound of any of the three Porsches that I have owned. My 991.2 4s sounded like a bucket of bolts at startup and at low rpm, the whistling of the turbos and the mechanical racket from the engine made it sound very unrefined. It only sounded nice above 4k rpms. My 981 Boxster with the 3.4 liter also only sounded good when revving it out. The 4 liter in my Boxster 25 sounded even worse (muffled) when I bought the car last year. Strange because boxer engines are supposedly very well balanced but they don't sound smooth to me. I have no clue why they sound so bad (to me at least) at low revs.. An exhaust, I think, can only do so much to fix the low rpm sound. Kline, from what I have experienced so far, is pretty darn good. Can't complain.
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I've never liked the OEM low rpm sound of any of the three Porsches that I have owned. My 991.2 4s sounded like a bucket of bolts at startup and at low rpm, the whistling of the turbos and the mechanical racket from the engine made it sound very unrefined. It only sounded nice above 4k rpms. My 981 Boxster with the 3.4 liter also only sounded good when revving it out. The 4 liter in my Boxster 25 sounded even worse (muffled) when I bought the car last year. Strange because boxer engines are supposedly very well balanced but they don't sound smooth to me. I have no clue why they sound so bad (to me at least) at low revs.. An exhaust, I think, can only do so much to fix the low rpm sound. Kline, from what I have experienced so far, is pretty darn good. Can't complain.
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@subwoofer - do you have the SS version or Inconel? I wonder if that produces enough difference in resonance for us to have different experiences?? There's certainly a 2-3k boominess that I know others have noticed with the Inconel system with the valves open. I also agree that it's worse when the system is cold...
@tigerhonaker - great vid! Your exhaust sounds great! I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video... love the shoes!!!![rockon](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/rockon.gif)
@tigerhonaker - great vid! Your exhaust sounds great! I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video... love the shoes!!!
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@tigerhonaker -
great vid!
Your exhaust sounds great!
I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video...
love the shoes!!!
Your exhaust sounds great!
I didn't notice any annoying boom - but it's difficult to capture in a video...
love the shoes!!!
![rockon](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/rockon.gif)
I did four (4) new videos with the Newly released SOUL V2 exhaust on my YouTube channel.
One of the four (4) videos is demoing the V2 for {PERFORMANCE} ONLY if your interested ???
You can watch and listen to them if your interested ???
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