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Old 07-21-2020, 07:42 PM
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Just read German forum and they are even worse than RL regarding pricing, etc.

Euro 145k - 150k, w/ Weissach Euro 170k, 500PS, PDK-S. Some are even placing it pricewise between 992 GT3 and 992 GT3RS.

RL has its work cut out.

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I think the base for the GT4RS will be somewhere between $130k to $140k. Question for me is when they introduce it...next Spring for Fall 2021 delivery making it a 2022 car (they stop production of the regular GT4s in the Fall of 2021) OR do they wait until Spring of 2022 making it a 2023 car? I hope for the former of course.
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I think the base for the GT4RS will be somewhere between $130k to $140k. Question for me is when they introduce it...next Spring for Fall 2021 delivery making it a 2022 car (they stop production of the regular GT4s in the Fall of 2021) OR do they wait until Spring of 2022 making it a 2023 car? I hope for the former of course.
My guess is 2022. My hypothesis is the club
sport still has 18 months of running (3 years total). In addition they won’t release it at the same time as the GT3 in case reviews and lap times come out that show it being faster. Especially true if it gets 475hp.

I would still guess they stop production next year for the GT4 in prep for an early 2022 reveal. I hope I’m wrong since I hope as many people as want one get to enjoy one.
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You called it!
Old 07-23-2020, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by iliveoncaffiene
I think you're way less likely to see this as you are to see a Touring version (model slotted between GT4&Spyder / GTS).
The closest to the RS version would be the PDK version of the GT4&Spyder which is also pretty likely to appear later in 2020.
Nice call of the GTS way back in 2019!
Old 07-23-2020, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by blackholescion
My guess is 2022. My hypothesis is the club
sport still has 18 months of running (3 years total). In addition they won’t release it at the same time as the GT3 in case reviews and lap times come out that show it being faster. Especially true if it gets 475hp.

I would still guess they stop production next year for the GT4 in prep for an early 2022 reveal. I hope I’m wrong since I hope as many people as want one get to enjoy one.
Yeah, I can't see them producing GT4s/Spyders past 2021. Maybe it makes sense that they introduce the GT3 next year and then the GT4RS and GT3RS in 2022.
Old 07-23-2020, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Yeah, I can't see them producing GT4s/Spyders past 2021. Maybe it makes sense that they introduce the GT3 next year and then the GT4RS and GT3RS in 2022.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...l#post16794468

Still fits. September = 2021MY. GT3 production through end of calendar 2021. GT4RS/Clubsport reveal Late 2021 with release in 2022 like the GT4/CS? Or reveal very early in 2022 but then they would miss the roar before 24. Maybe Chris will give us some more info in a few months.

With extra production numbers, it wouldn't be a stretch to see the GT3 built through early 2022 as a 2022.
Old 07-23-2020, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
Yeah, I can't see them producing GT4s/Spyders past 2021. Maybe it makes sense that they introduce the GT3 next year and then the GT4RS and GT3RS in 2022.
Agree on GT4.

However, there is no reason they can't continue to produce the Spyder past 2021
Old 07-23-2020, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I think the base for the GT4RS will be somewhere between $130k to $140k. Question for me is when they introduce it...next Spring for Fall 2021 delivery making it a 2022 car (they stop production of the regular GT4s in the Fall of 2021) OR do they wait until Spring of 2022 making it a 2023 car? I hope for the former of course.
I think you're probably in the ballpark, but on the low side

here was my guess a little over a year ago 6-19-2019 (450 hp and $125,000 base price) quote from referenced thread (based on the same Petevb chart, I think there's plenty of room for a GT4RS, just put it in there near 992 Carrera S territory, slighty above
I'd guess 450 hp and $125k base price (I think Pete has intentionally made his chart somewhat nebulous simply so you can't draw too specific conclusions, but he has a clear theory of the Porsche pecking order and it seems logical that a GT4RS will fit in there because there's plenty of room between the GT4 and the GT3

of course, this is all speculation! but I don't think I'm a joker
Porsche probably had all this figured out years ago, I don't think they listen to me or anyone else on rennlist
if they did, they would have had a much, much better color selection for the new GT4 and Spyder!


I suspect they've already figured out the pricing for the next GT3, my guess is $165,000 (about 15% increase, bigger than the norm)
they need to resolve the ADM pricing issue or risk losing a lot of enthusiasts

and this was my GT4 guess (But I did my "guess" based on Petevb's chart, trying to interpret where pricing would be given that most cleaning ladies said the car would have 420 hp it's kinda hard to interpret exactly where on that chart the pricing would be but I figured around $100k to $110k)

https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/1146...r-guess-5.html

based on Chris' info, I think the 475 hp GT4RS will start at $145,000 to $150,000
this will be the last NA Cayman produced (pure speculation on my part)

but the gears have to be grinding at PAG HQ right now regarding production numbers, both in total cars and when new models will be introduced
GT4RS between fall 2021 and spring 2022

if someone would analyze the numbers of posts per day in the 718 Spyder/GT4 forum (compared to the 981 posts), I think the interest level (demand for) the 718 models is much lower
why? not just COVID, but GT3 is available in a manual, and lots of GT3s, and pricing on GT4/Spyder is pretty robust compared to the previous iteration, comparison of new car vs old car isn't a big delta, and what am I missing?

dealers have the right to charge whatever ADM they think they can get
maybe PAG restraining production numbers will give them some comfort

as I mentioned earlier in this thread, my dealer told me 2 months ago there would be a $100k ADM for the GT4RS even though I requested to be 'put on the list' in Feb 2015 (I still have the email)
he called it a market price

so, we'll see
Old 07-23-2020, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
Agree on GT4.

However, there is no reason they can't continue to produce the Spyder past 2021
heard rumor about 718 RS Spyder, well, not seeing any evidence yet but who knows~
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Old 07-23-2020, 09:29 PM
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A $100K ADM puts a well built GT4RS in the $250K orbit. Wow, that would be a bummer.
Old 07-23-2020, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JSF101
I mentioned earlier in this thread, my dealer told me 2 months ago there would be a $100k ADM for the GT4RS even though I requested to be 'put on the list' in Feb 2015 (I still have the email)
he called it a market price

so, we'll see
You stealer is feeling the heat of the economy or thinks there is more more stoopid $ around than what the average bear thinks.

Originally Posted by phefner
A $100K ADM puts a well built GT4RS in the $250K orbit. Wow, that would be a bummer.
We all know what "well built" means; not the same to everybody.
Old 07-23-2020, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tthellott T
heard rumor about 718 RS Spyder, well, not seeing any evidence yet but who knows~
there was supposed to be but allegedly killed off due to production impact from covid.
Old 07-24-2020, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JSF101
I think you're probably in the ballpark, but on the low side

here was my guess a little over a year ago 6-19-2019 (450 hp and $125,000 base price) quote from referenced thread (based on the same Petevb chart, I think there's plenty of room for a GT4RS, just put it in there near 992 Carrera S territory, slighty above
I'd guess 450 hp and $125k base price (I think Pete has intentionally made his chart somewhat nebulous simply so you can't draw too specific conclusions, but he has a clear theory of the Porsche pecking order and it seems logical that a GT4RS will fit in there because there's plenty of room between the GT4 and the GT3

of course, this is all speculation! but I don't think I'm a joker
Porsche probably had all this figured out years ago, I don't think they listen to me or anyone else on rennlist
if they did, they would have had a much, much better color selection for the new GT4 and Spyder!


I suspect they've already figured out the pricing for the next GT3, my guess is $165,000 (about 15% increase, bigger than the norm)
they need to resolve the ADM pricing issue or risk losing a lot of enthusiasts

and this was my GT4 guess (But I did my "guess" based on Petevb's chart, trying to interpret where pricing would be given that most cleaning ladies said the car would have 420 hp it's kinda hard to interpret exactly where on that chart the pricing would be but I figured around $100k to $110k)

https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/1146...r-guess-5.html

based on Chris' info, I think the 475 hp GT4RS will start at $145,000 to $150,000
this will be the last NA Cayman produced (pure speculation on my part)

but the gears have to be grinding at PAG HQ right now regarding production numbers, both in total cars and when new models will be introduced
GT4RS between fall 2021 and spring 2022

if someone would analyze the numbers of posts per day in the 718 Spyder/GT4 forum (compared to the 981 posts), I think the interest level (demand for) the 718 models is much lower
why? not just COVID, but GT3 is available in a manual, and lots of GT3s, and pricing on GT4/Spyder is pretty robust compared to the previous iteration, comparison of new car vs old car isn't a big delta, and what am I missing?

dealers have the right to charge whatever ADM they think they can get
maybe PAG restraining production numbers will give them some comfort

as I mentioned earlier in this thread, my dealer told me 2 months ago there would be a $100k ADM for the GT4RS even though I requested to be 'put on the list' in Feb 2015 (I still have the email)
he called it a market price

so, we'll see
Even if they limit the production for the GT4RS it won't have a premium greater than the speedster (which are trading below MSRP now) because they'll build more than 2,000 cars worldwide. I don't any stealership will get $100k, maybe $50k for the car for the stupid money that needs to have the first cars.
Old 07-31-2020, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mech33
Curious, how do you know what rod the GT4RS will use? If you have access to that part, how about other GT4RS engine parts to further confirm? Thanks!
Sorry Mech33 I can't tell why I know it but I have it written on a piece of Porsche papers

I have no excess to other GT4RS parts….


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