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10-22-2021, 11:45 PM
#2822
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How many would gladly trade getting discounts on car for no ADMs? You aren't getting 35k off that Panamera sitting on the lot for 6 months already but you also won't be paying 35k over for a 'hot' car.
Write to you congressman and whoever, complaint complaint complaint.
Funny about that one greedy salesman asking 100k over. poster should out the dealership and the salesman, just so everyone else can avoid them. If that fact was clearly communicated, then it's not slander or anything against the law. And if that's public knowledge, PCNA might take appropriate action to sanction the dealership, practice like that gives potential customers a bad taste in their mouth and ruins Porsche's image, when it isn't even their fault but their dealer's.
By my estimates, I think a total run of perhaps 3000 cars over a 2 year period. Cayman/Boxster aren't on most buyer's sightline, they mostly goes for 911s, especially the GT3 right now. Porsche ain't gonna limit the production, they will make and sell as many as they can. The only limiting factor on how many they would make would be feedback from dealers. If dealers are telling them nah they can't sell the car, not many are ordering, then Porsche will adjust and make less. And since it's a 2 year production cycle, they can always adjust the production mix on the 2nd year to create more supply.
Write to you congressman and whoever, complaint complaint complaint.
Funny about that one greedy salesman asking 100k over. poster should out the dealership and the salesman, just so everyone else can avoid them. If that fact was clearly communicated, then it's not slander or anything against the law. And if that's public knowledge, PCNA might take appropriate action to sanction the dealership, practice like that gives potential customers a bad taste in their mouth and ruins Porsche's image, when it isn't even their fault but their dealer's.
By my estimates, I think a total run of perhaps 3000 cars over a 2 year period. Cayman/Boxster aren't on most buyer's sightline, they mostly goes for 911s, especially the GT3 right now. Porsche ain't gonna limit the production, they will make and sell as many as they can. The only limiting factor on how many they would make would be feedback from dealers. If dealers are telling them nah they can't sell the car, not many are ordering, then Porsche will adjust and make less. And since it's a 2 year production cycle, they can always adjust the production mix on the 2nd year to create more supply.
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10-23-2021, 07:25 AM
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10-23-2021, 08:28 AM
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10-23-2021, 11:43 AM
#2826
Are there any 4.0 NA flat 6 in the Chinese market 718s? Even the Spyder are getting the flat 4 over there.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...four-cylinder/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...four-cylinder/
10-23-2021, 02:54 PM
#2828
Are there any 4.0 NA flat 6 in the Chinese market 718s? Even the Spyder are getting the flat 4 over there.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...four-cylinder/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...four-cylinder/
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10-23-2021, 03:03 PM
#2829
How many would gladly trade getting discounts on car for no ADMs? You aren't getting 35k off that Panamera sitting on the lot for 6 months already but you also won't be paying 35k over for a 'hot' car.
Write to you congressman and whoever, complaint complaint complaint.
Funny about that one greedy salesman asking 100k over. poster should out the dealership and the salesman, just so everyone else can avoid them. If that fact was clearly communicated, then it's not slander or anything against the law. And if that's public knowledge, PCNA might take appropriate action to sanction the dealership, practice like that gives potential customers a bad taste in their mouth and ruins Porsche's image, when it isn't even their fault but their dealer's.
By my estimates, I think a total run of perhaps 3000 cars over a 2 year period. Cayman/Boxster aren't on most buyer's sightline, they mostly goes for 911s, especially the GT3 right now. Porsche ain't gonna limit the production, they will make and sell as many as they can. The only limiting factor on how many they would make would be feedback from dealers. If dealers are telling them nah they can't sell the car, not many are ordering, then Porsche will adjust and make less. And since it's a 2 year production cycle, they can always adjust the production mix on the 2nd year to create more supply.
Write to you congressman and whoever, complaint complaint complaint.
Funny about that one greedy salesman asking 100k over. poster should out the dealership and the salesman, just so everyone else can avoid them. If that fact was clearly communicated, then it's not slander or anything against the law. And if that's public knowledge, PCNA might take appropriate action to sanction the dealership, practice like that gives potential customers a bad taste in their mouth and ruins Porsche's image, when it isn't even their fault but their dealer's.
By my estimates, I think a total run of perhaps 3000 cars over a 2 year period. Cayman/Boxster aren't on most buyer's sightline, they mostly goes for 911s, especially the GT3 right now. Porsche ain't gonna limit the production, they will make and sell as many as they can. The only limiting factor on how many they would make would be feedback from dealers. If dealers are telling them nah they can't sell the car, not many are ordering, then Porsche will adjust and make less. And since it's a 2 year production cycle, they can always adjust the production mix on the 2nd year to create more supply.
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10-23-2021, 03:31 PM
#2830
True, even the government agrees to ban dealers from charging ADM, they can easily find other ways to gain it back. In Ontario, Canada, though no ADM is allowed, dealers will hint that you need to buy the gt3 watch, after market addons, extended warranty etc., which sums up to be the same as ADM that dealers in US charge. Oh, and low ball trade in values.
10-23-2021, 03:46 PM
#2832
10-23-2021, 04:20 PM
#2833
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True, even the government agrees to ban dealers from charging ADM, they can easily find other ways to gain it back. In Ontario, Canada, though no ADM is allowed, dealers will hint that you need to buy the gt3 watch, after market addons, extended warranty etc., which sums up to be the same as ADM that dealers in US charge. Oh, and low ball trade in values.
As for the low ball trade in. There are way around it too. Say the dealer is giving you a really low ball price, go find a buddy or whatever and tell them they can buy the car for such low price, do a in-and-out trade at the dealership , the dealer can only make maybe a $1000 of documentation fee, but the profit from selling your trade in is gone, your buddy basically got a nice car for whole sale price. Another would be the shop around the dealer's offer, find someone that will pay more for the car, and do the same in-and-out trade in, you get the tax credit for car purchase, the other party gets the car and your dealer is left holding the bag.
In-and-out trade is very normal in the car dealer industry. Mostly it's behind the scene where you can't see. Say a Porsche dealer got a Maserati as a trade in, instead of trying to sell it themselves, they might call up the Maserati dealer asking if they want the car, if they do, they will just pay the dealer and take the car to sell it themselves. Car in, car out, in no time. Mostly it's a curtesy thing, they don't make money off the other dealer and when the time comes, the other dealer returns the favour.
Most of the time you don't even have to go through with it, just the threat of you taking away their profit is enough to get them to give a much better offer on the trade in. Making some money is better than making no money.
10-23-2021, 07:11 PM
#2834
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Originally Posted by Kryton
Amazed at the dealers requesting overs on the new car, in the UK it's just list price. (if you can get a car that is)
10-23-2021, 07:18 PM
#2835
The offers for aftermarket add ons will be after signing papers to the car, you can always refuse to buy 'extra' protections. You buy the watch, the dealer doesn't pocket the whole price, they only make a tiny margin on it, not the 20-30k straight cash ADM.
As for the low ball trade in. There are way around it too. Say the dealer is giving you a really low ball price, go find a buddy or whatever and tell them they can buy the car for such low price, do a in-and-out trade at the dealership , the dealer can only make maybe a $1000 of documentation fee, but the profit from selling your trade in is gone, your buddy basically got a nice car for whole sale price. Another would be the shop around the dealer's offer, find someone that will pay more for the car, and do the same in-and-out trade in, you get the tax credit for car purchase, the other party gets the car and your dealer is left holding the bag.
In-and-out trade is very normal in the car dealer industry. Mostly it's behind the scene where you can't see. Say a Porsche dealer got a Maserati as a trade in, instead of trying to sell it themselves, they might call up the Maserati dealer asking if they want the car, if they do, they will just pay the dealer and take the car to sell it themselves. Car in, car out, in no time. Mostly it's a curtesy thing, they don't make money off the other dealer and when the time comes, the other dealer returns the favour.
Most of the time you don't even have to go through with it, just the threat of you taking away their profit is enough to get them to give a much better offer on the trade in. Making some money is better than making no money.
As for the low ball trade in. There are way around it too. Say the dealer is giving you a really low ball price, go find a buddy or whatever and tell them they can buy the car for such low price, do a in-and-out trade at the dealership , the dealer can only make maybe a $1000 of documentation fee, but the profit from selling your trade in is gone, your buddy basically got a nice car for whole sale price. Another would be the shop around the dealer's offer, find someone that will pay more for the car, and do the same in-and-out trade in, you get the tax credit for car purchase, the other party gets the car and your dealer is left holding the bag.
In-and-out trade is very normal in the car dealer industry. Mostly it's behind the scene where you can't see. Say a Porsche dealer got a Maserati as a trade in, instead of trying to sell it themselves, they might call up the Maserati dealer asking if they want the car, if they do, they will just pay the dealer and take the car to sell it themselves. Car in, car out, in no time. Mostly it's a curtesy thing, they don't make money off the other dealer and when the time comes, the other dealer returns the favour.
Most of the time you don't even have to go through with it, just the threat of you taking away their profit is enough to get them to give a much better offer on the trade in. Making some money is better than making no money.