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GrantG

When possible, I’d much prefer a true dry sump engine. Though obviously, they’ve made due with the integrated variety in several recent hardcore track cars.

And having the lightweight crankshaft, valvetrain and Titanium conrods gives an engine a super responsive character that isn’t sufficiently described simply by its output numbers.

phefner

Love the thread. Some useless random thoughts.

As a GT Racing enthusiast, catching about all the GT4 class races here in the US (IMSA & SRO) and Europe (SRO), the current GT4 CS/MR seems a tad underpowered. I love that the Porsche GT4 teams frequently qualify in the front row, top 4 to start. But all too often it seems like these other more powerful platforms just have more of an edge when racing, even with BOP (balance of power).

I love my GT4 on b-roads and the track. It’s a ton of fun and well within my driving skills. Have not found the edge yet. When I think I’ve found it, the car says no not here dummy, it’s a bit further away. And on and on we go.

My hope is Porsche is looking to do more than qualify in front, and create a GT4RS that races with these other 500+ HP beasts. Is that 485? 500? I don’t have any cleaning ladies to help us out.

So, we have about 25-30 seconds on the Ring between the production 992 GT3 and current 982 GT4. A 500 HP GT4RS would significantly close that gap. But my guess is not unseat the 992 GT3.

Bring on the 500 HP GT4RS!

FogCitySF

LOL..that's a stretch. But I get it, behooves ppl to talk up their book on differences (for value reasons) that are likely to be near imperceptible for a street car (and have next to zero impact on lap times).

I'd much rather cheer for just as capable and reliable engine that makes the car "less desirable" ie less expensive and and less difficult to obtain for driving rather than bragging or re-selling.

raymort

yep. It’s gonna be insane with the current market.

just wondering what others are seeing…

GrantG

I understand what you’re saying, but not sure your desire is in line with the nature of a Porsche RS model.

CAlexio

There will not be any loose allocations. Maybe resold ones but VIP's are selecting and top customers after that already know about it.

Think 911R.. then add a few.

FogCitySF

The nature of the 991 RS models (one of which I have) were fairly mass produced..which was great, many people could get one and the improvements were incremental over the GT3 which was already a fantastic platform. Would prefer to see that tradition continued rather than a bunch of "motorsport" gimmickry for resale/price premium purposes which have little/no effective value on the track or on long term reliability and only serves to enrich dealers and egos.

But I guess for some an RS isn't just a Porsche, it's God's Chariot! LOL

GrantG

991RS has its share of Motorsports gimmickry (like Weissach package - particularly in US where the cage is not offered).

The best part of most recent 3RS is the fantastic engine and that is possibly going to be carried to the 4RS and I find nothing gimmicky about that in the slightest.

FogCitySF

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FogCitySF

Nobody said that about the 3RS having engine gimmickry ....what was mentioned by you were very minor factors in comparing the GT4 to GT3 engine like true dry sump vs integrated, titanium con-rods to help with purported throttle response "beyond" the bhp..etc. basically items that only increase perceived exclusivity with very minor benefits for 4RS intended use and at a price point that makes sense vs the base GT4. Think a similar argument was made about the "transformative" double wishbone suspension of the GT3 (which is just in reality a very marginal benefit with a minimal lap time delta and other capable drivers would probably agree with me on that point) which frankly isn't really needed on the GT4RS.

Let's not fool ourselves. Most should be very happy with a high output version of the 718 engine that could deliver 475+ bhp and be reliable and be at a good price point and produced in sufficient numbers. Most probably couldn't even tell the difference if it had one engine vs the other (if can make such a controlled experiment).

But for the collector who wants to maximize resale value, the yes, as some have pointed out those minor items are "critical" in order to emphasize differentiated perceived monetary value.

At the end of the day the 4 RS will not be faster nor outperform the GT3. Wishing for anything more is just that, being wishful.

GrantG

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FogCitySF

As mentioned, I believe a good result can be achieved with a 718 engine that delivers 475 + bhp reliably and it doesn't need the exact GT3 engine to achieve that. To the extent that having the GT3 engine with relatively minor improvements over a high output 718 engine that won't really affect the performance or reliability meaningfully but causes this massive divergence in price/obtainablity with huge ADMs, etc, then for sure that's not worth it for really minor improvements that otherwise couldn't be achieved vs the 718 high output version. It's about relative value. At that point (e.g $200+k) the GT4RS pricing goes way beyond its intended purpose and niche ...might as well just get a GT3 or 3RS...because those will outperform the 4 RS no matter what engine is in it (and you can thank the do-no-wrong Porsche AG for that).

Adrift

911 fan boy alert!

GrantG

Why not just add more boost to a 4-cyl 718? Good results could be achieved with that as well. Why the gimmickry of a 6-cylinder when 4 can get the same job done?

It could cost less than a GT4 and be faster…