groundhog

Porsche simply built a different type of car for a different target market - its pretty obvious really. The Taycan was never aimed at the "typical" Tesla owner and in most reviews it clearly hit it out of the park. What is also obvious, is the decades of auto experience have paid off. If Porsche wanted to build a "long range" EV - it wouldn't have been a problem for them to do so.

RonF

I'm trying to decipher your comment but no matter how I could not come up with a favorable interpretation other than arrogance I mentioned in my post.

groundhog

Good work RonF as always - . My comment is very straightforward, I think you'll find most people will understand it.

Porsche strategy is generally to roll buyers up the line up where possible. The primary target will be to get many 911 owners and probably Panamera owners into the Taycan over the next few years. The more mainstream and mass market stuff will be taken care of by VW and Audi.

I very much doubt the EPA numbers will factor in much with Taycan buyers and those that need extended range will probably just use another vehicle.

AlexCeres

... Porsche’s CEO has gone out of his way to respect Tesla, publicly and repeatedly. Your visceral and malign inferences here seem undeserved. Porsche is rightly confident in their ability to make great cars. By all reports the taycan drives like a Porsche with 911 steering and incredible handling, especially for a car that weighs as much as a panamera.

the epa range report is embarrassing, but no serious people think this is a laughing stock. A few Tesla fanatics, sure. Who were all laughing so hard at crappy Porsche they had to fly a prototype to Germany and build a supercharger in a couple days so they could pump out some completely bogus Ring time and disrupt all of the Taycan press. Elon doesn’t take the taycan seriously at all, no sir. Which they had to do because the current production model S can’t even finish a lap.

now there’s a laugh.

if you want laughing stock try Toyota (hydrogen, ha ha ha ha) or BMW (how long will this ceo last, ha ha ha) or GM (we’re totally working on EVs and will stop Tesla from doing to our business what it’s done to BMW, but first our 2020 trucks and SUVs are EVEN Bigger). Most of this industry is toast. Dieselgate is probably the best thing that ever happen to VW.

Whoopsy

You are not incorrect in that assessment.

Porsche doesn't do things half heartedly. When they do a product, they know beforehand what their target audience wants. From the beginning, they knew their buyers aren't too concern about range, good enough is good enough. They buyers will be more concerned about the performance of the car, doesn't matter if the buyer will attained those performance or not either. In that regards, Porsche hit a home run with the Taycan already. Fastest 4 door sedan on the Ring, and best handling EV. The order book reflects that. They had to increase production of the Taycan from their initial estimates is the proof.

Porsche was never gunning for the Tesla in the mainstream EV market, they were going for the top, the luxury EV segment, one step up from even the Model S, which is in the premium/near luxury segment.

This opinion/stand isn't arrogant, but reality. The Tesla fan boys might disagree as they desperately wanted to measure up to Porsche, wanting to say they are better than Porsche, but the same feelings isn't from Porsche. Tesla is a mass market premium brand, competing against Lexus, Acura and Infiniti, not Porsche. It's just like Rolls Royce doesn't compare their products with say Cadillac. Or Ferrari doesn't consider a GT-R a competitor either.

SFsoundguy

Answer = No one mainly because they all do about 350 a fill....and fill up in 2 minutes. Really? The real question is how many Porsche owners have lived a year with an EV.

Whoopsy

Oh look who is back. You were strangely absent for like 3 weeks after I called you out on calling my buff on mentioning Elon borrowing heavily against his stock holdings, which he admit in court under oath.

Your boss grounded you on public forums?

Whoopsy

Me!!!!

but not quite a year, more like 4+ months.

Whoopsy

Actually 11 only, but who's counting.

But most of them I don't actually drive.

Daily I used the e-Tron for school runs, or the occasionally mall shopping or maybe going to the bank.

Weekends I mostly on either the Exclusive or the Panamera.

Golfing mostly the Panamera or the e-Tron. Same with long road trips, which I also do in the Exclusive.

For the occasional Home Depot/Ikea runs I take the pickup. Or if I want to be in town incognito.

Summer time I actually take the Abath 124 a lot, top down. But I had to share that car with my son. He split times in that or his Golf R.

Really I only drive 3 cars most of the time. Comparable to a 3 car household.

Edit: Actually 12. Forgot to count my race car.

SFsoundguy

I don’t know what you’re smoking but I’d love a toke, what are you talking about Tesla is not a mass premium brand.... even Ferrari just announced as of 2025 the will be EV only!
have you or do you own an EV a non Tesla like I do? 201 is a miss plain and simple Porsche knew better and still pushed through a smile disappears rather fast when your sitting in a 2 ton paperweight 🙂

UPDATE: I see you have an eTron so Plus for that but you also have other gas cars so you are never limited

AlexCeres

BMW and previous hybrid or EV owners. Non-M division bmws are disappearing from Northern California with astounding speed. I don’t know anyone planning to buy another 3 series. Ever.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...evolution.html

AlexCeres

Tesla is not and never will be a high end premium brand. They currently make no super cars, and Elon has described their one planned super car as irrelevant to their business and scheduled behind numerous more important products. They aim to make 1M+ cars a year, and their build quality is atrocious. Their corporate goal is to facilitate the electrification of the industry. They will never seriously compete with Ferrari. They will try to keep Porsche from siphoning off their most profitable S and X customers, but they are incapable of offering high end premium customization. Their interior design aesthetic is minimalism, which is a good look, but also a necessity because they can’t mass produce vehicles any other way. Anything they could do to compete with Ferrari and Porsche would be a diversion from the critical model 3 and Y lines. If either of these fails, they go bankrupt. Those are their core products, which are mass market cars.

SFsoundguy

Exactly. Maybe you missed the part where I said I don’t own a Tesla....Anymore

AlexCeres

If it makes you feel any better, Ferrari is a merchandise licensing outfit and Porsche an SUV manufacturer with a profitable sports car side business.

Whoopsy

Profitable SUV maker, with a side of sports cars that also makes money