acoste

Ok. Yes, pretty low unfortunately. I still haven't figured it out why so low. Anything I read about its technical details does not explain the difference between this car and the preraven Model X. One think I haven't figured out yet is how much is the non-drive related consumption and the cooling system's consumption.

SFsoundguy

I do have the Edition One with the 21" so I know out the gate I'll get less range but I agree its pretty terrible. I also wonder what the Taycan 4S with the large power train on 19" will get on the EPA should be 210 - 220

daveo4porsche

In range mode the Model S & Model X will "Torque Sleep" the more expensive motor and "wake it up" only when it's power is required - Tesla engineers I've talked to says this is good for 4-7% range enhancement when cruising at steady speed - I've haven't heard if the Taycan has a similar feature.

it might another one of those "small" wins that add up to bigger wins when taken all together.

https://teslaowner.wordpress.com/201...ep-efficiency/

SFsoundguy

Fortunately the proof is in the pudding, it will only take a week after the first dozen or so owners receive their Taycans to work out what the actual real world range will be....

manitou202

Dude, that's because you have like ten cars. Why would you care about the range of one of your ten vehicles?

If Porsche is planning on selling the Taycan to the 0.01%, then yes, it's just a flashy toy and who cares about range. But if they are trying to attract someone who makes $300k - $500k a year, drives two moderately expensive cars (one being the Taycan) and wants the use the car on road trips, they missed the boat. This car is no Panamera or Model S competitor in terms of luxury and EV practicality. I sold my GT3 and bought my Panamera to have a family car that was sporty, fun to drive, and could haul three kids in a road trip into the mountains. I was hoping Taycan could do the same. My wife's Model X is capable of that. But the Taycan looks to fall short. If I'm going to go back to some toy for around town without the kids, I'm getting another GT3.

SFsoundguy

I agree with you. There are plenty of other options with better ROI. Porsche a reputable company originally stated 300 miles then adjusted that over the corse of a year to 250 - 270 and ended up at 201. The EV world is the new frontier especially for those of us who are trying to go EV only. I’d love a GT3 but I will not buy another ICE. I was really looking forward to long happy days on the back roads of north California something you just can’t do today not without a stop for a few hours of recharge on a 50 or 100 Kilowatt charger Yes it will all get better and in a few years having a car that dose 200 miles will not matter when you can charge it anywhere in 22 minutes but today in reality it’s 2.5 hours and that’s just to get to 80% sooo I guess Bob Roberts was right I am a pissed off Drama Queen one that’s pissed off at Porsche for fu$&*ng up their perfect opportunity to enter the EV arena!

Bob Roberts

Well, that was refreshing (although I didn't say pissed off ). Seriously refreshing.

anyways, I wish it was also more, but mainly for potential resale purposes. But I am still buying since it more than meets my needs and I expect I will enjoy the heck out of it.

AlexCeres

neither the technology nor the customer demand exist for this yet. Porsche talked about this in one of the interviews last spring. They need the taycan to blaze the trail on infrastructure and technology investments for their joint Porsche / Audi products and really the entire VW group.

even Tesla has this product at 3x your price point and back burnered until 2021 or later.

acoste

Most dual motor EVs have this torque splitting based on efficiency. Mercedes EQC has a display mode where the driver can follow it. One motor is tuned for cruising, good efficiency at low torque. The other motor is tuned for high torque.

AlexCeres

folks have tried to, but Elon won’t step down and nobody else can tolerate working with Elon for any amount of money.

SFsoundguy

I will wait to see the EPA & real world on the 4S on 19s if it’s 250 I’m in. Amazing what that extra 49 miles can relieve in recharging pain!

Bob Roberts

I expect you will get a split decision. EPA poking around 210, unless they actually make changes to the buffer, but real world "reasonably normal" driving at 250. Last comment just based on some of the video reviews that were posted on the Turbo.

ipse dixit

I have to agree with @Whoopsy here, even though I was admittedly a doubter initially.

I just spent an afternoon at my local Porsche dealer with nothing related to the Taycan, or really the purchase of any Porsche -- either anEV, ICE, or some combo of both.

Spoke with both the SGM and the GM and both said unequivocally that none of their Taycan customers have pulled deposits since the (1) the price came out or (2) when the EPA numbers came out yesterday. They also informed me that none of their customers, with a few exceptions (less than maybe 10) were worried about total range when making their initial deposits. The most common questions were, in no particular order, (i) can I do ED with the Taycan; (ii) are there federal / state rebates; (iii) can I use the HOV lanes while driving alone; (iv) do I have to pay for charging at Porsche charging network; (v) is PTS available; (vi) how fast is 0-60 and can it beat the Model S in ludicrous mode; (vii) what's the 'Ring time.

Seems like the typical Taycan customer cares more about the badging than the car's utilitarian, uhm, utility.

I have no skin in the game, and they (the SGM and GM) had no skin in the game to sell me a Taycan (or really any car).

Just passing along info.

groundhog

To the Porsche owners in this thread - have any of you purchased a Porsche sports car on the basis of its EPA rating?

RonF

I believe it's this and a lot of other little things Tesla learned over the years. A couple percent here, a couple percent there they all add up. Porsche/VAG would not be the laughing stock if they weren't so arrogantly implying making (good) EV is easy since they have decades of automaking experiences. It's not the same.