991 GT2RS
08-31-2017, 01:17 PM
#3436
08-31-2017, 01:45 PM
#3437
Race Director
I love the drama and reading all about 1st world problems. 
08-31-2017, 02:07 PM
#3438
Rennlist Member
makes too much sense, seriously is this how you want to treat your most affluent customers, I also dont think the forums should allow anyone to advertise any car with ADM, I think all deposits should be non refundable and I think no dealers should be allowed to build a GT2RS for stock, they all need to have a customer attached, I hope tomorrow Porsche announces they will build as many needed to satisfy demand
08-31-2017, 02:08 PM
#3439
Originally Posted by mchrono
With this Internet and whatnot, I wonder if there could be a system in place where customers could simply place their order and deposit with the manufacturer, rather than the dealer?
08-31-2017, 02:15 PM
#3440
Race Director
Huh?...then why have dealers?..I know some would prefer that but no way that would ever happen or work out for all the other car sales. dealer thrive on getting GT cars...it's like a reward for them. Plus that GT buyer comes in with the wife or also wants a everyday car and buys a Macan too...
08-31-2017, 02:21 PM
#3441
Racer
If you read Sam's post it said 301 outside the VIP allocations coming to the US. If you have 200 VIPs or is getting cars that would be around 500 coming to the US. I don't know how many VIPs are getting cars but I just took Sam's post as saying 301 allocations beyond VIP cars. Still not a lot of cars though. Good thing I don't have the money to buy one anyway I guess 😉
08-31-2017, 02:44 PM
#3442
Race Director
The manufacture legally can only put a stipulation on what a product can be ADVERTISED at...that is called MAP (minimum advertised price). That is deemed by the US government law as legal to do in order to protect the manufacture...not the dealer...products so that no misconception of what a product is worth.
A manufacture can not tell a dealer (reseller) they can not sell a product at above or below or stabilize a price at MSRP...that is illegal and called price fixing.
08-31-2017, 02:53 PM
#3443
Drifting
Huh?...then why have dealers?..I know some would prefer that but no way that would ever happen or work out for all the other car sales. dealer thrive on getting GT cars...it's like a reward for them. Plus that GT buyer comes in with the wife or also wants a everyday car and buys a Macan too...
08-31-2017, 02:56 PM
#3444
08-31-2017, 03:08 PM
#3445
Drifting
08-31-2017, 04:22 PM
#3446
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.
08-31-2017, 04:26 PM
#3447
I hope I'm not coming across as confrontational; but, I know of a case where the manufacturer did tell the dealer to sell the car at MSRP.
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.
08-31-2017, 04:40 PM
#3448
Three Wheelin'
I don't think you could buy an LFA from a Lexus dealer either. I saw someone put an order in, or what we were told was an order, through a corporate event in NY, they lived in TX. In addition the 918 wasn't sold through dealers. It was delivered through dealers, but not sold through them. It can be done, but only appears to be done for the uber expense cars by brand. Except for Tesla. But they have their own issues to deal with regarding some state regulations.
08-31-2017, 05:09 PM
#3449
Race Director
I hope I'm not coming across as confrontational; but, I know of a case where the manufacturer did tell the dealer to sell the car at MSRP.
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.
Now the dealer can turn down offers at what ever price and only say they will sell at MSRP...but if the manufacture tells them they can only sell at MSRP then..collusion, anti trust price fixing issues are happening.
08-31-2017, 05:17 PM
#3450
Rennlist Member
I hope I'm not coming across as confrontational; but, I know of a case where the manufacturer did tell the dealer to sell the car at MSRP.
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.
In fact, it's a case where the manufacturer wanted to make sure the car ended up on the track and not in the hands of a flipper. That objective should sound familiar since it is, also, a recently stated goal of the person who runs (I think) Porsche GT production, Andreas Preuninger.
The manufacturer was BMW, the car was the M4 GTS. Following a customer screening process, I believe by BMWNA, an invitation to buy the car was sent directly to the customer. Part of the invitation included the purchase of the car at MSRP, from any dealer the customer wanted.
I know one can debate whether or not this constitutes "telling the dealer;" but, the point I would make is - if the manufacturer, seriously, wants to sell something at MSRP, there are ways around what are considered "normal" or even legal sales constraints. Again, IMO.