2014 PCA Rule Change Proposals for comment posted
08-21-2013, 11:26 AM
#107
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Anything either of you can share? Perhaps some insight into Walt's logic that he shared with you guys may help us understand.
I had proposed the removal of the passenger seat and wondered why it was not put up for comment. I emailed Walt Fricke and he provided a very interesting answer. If you have a question about this topic, I suggest you correspond with Walt.
Walt has provided his position on this matter to at least one other racer, so hopefully he will share with you.
Just for the record, I disagree with most of what Walt said in his email.
John
Walt has provided his position on this matter to at least one other racer, so hopefully he will share with you.
Just for the record, I disagree with most of what Walt said in his email.
John
08-21-2013, 11:29 AM
#108
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We could just tread the chassis and screw the green one right in. What would happen if someone showed up with something like those in the pix? Could they race? They are not unattractive.
08-21-2013, 11:38 AM
#110
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I would love to hear some thoughts on PDK. I get that they upshift faster than a human does a manual gearbox, so what are folks thinking?
Add a weight penalty to equalize them better or move up an entire class?
For stock that puts a 2009+ Cayman S PDK with 320hp in J, now you have a car with 9.94 lb/hp in a class where most cars have 8.0-8.5??
For GTB1 it puts a 2009+ Cayman S PDK in GTB2, So now you have a car with 9.22 lb/hp ratio mixed with cars that have a ratio of 7.92-8.02. That makes zero sense to me. The weight reduction needed to equalize the Cayman is unfeasable imho.
IMHO keeping them in the current class makes the most sense and add a reasonable weight penalty to adjust the lb/hp ratio to be less favorable for a PDK car.
Add a weight penalty to equalize them better or move up an entire class?
For stock that puts a 2009+ Cayman S PDK with 320hp in J, now you have a car with 9.94 lb/hp in a class where most cars have 8.0-8.5??
For GTB1 it puts a 2009+ Cayman S PDK in GTB2, So now you have a car with 9.22 lb/hp ratio mixed with cars that have a ratio of 7.92-8.02. That makes zero sense to me. The weight reduction needed to equalize the Cayman is unfeasable imho.
IMHO keeping them in the current class makes the most sense and add a reasonable weight penalty to adjust the lb/hp ratio to be less favorable for a PDK car.
08-21-2013, 09:55 PM
#112
Three Wheelin'
second seat is scarey. if you ever got trapped again a tire wall or flipped and you had to get out, a 2nd seatwith halos and harness just impedes your exit, all fo what? because the car came factory with two seats? it came factory with quite a few things that are permitted to be changed.
the arguments of "its hard to move my camera with the second seat" wont move pca. but from a safety perspective, there should be NO second seats permitted in a race car. it might be the only egress or way in for a safety worker when you're unconscious and upside down.
the arguments of "its hard to move my camera with the second seat" wont move pca. but from a safety perspective, there should be NO second seats permitted in a race car. it might be the only egress or way in for a safety worker when you're unconscious and upside down.
I had proposed the removal of the passenger seat and wondered why it was not put up for comment. I emailed Walt Fricke and he provided a very interesting answer. If you have a question about this topic, I suggest you correspond with Walt.
Walt has provided his position on this matter to at least one other racer, so hopefully he will share with you.
Just for the record, I disagree with most of what Walt said in his email.
John
Walt has provided his position on this matter to at least one other racer, so hopefully he will share with you.
Just for the record, I disagree with most of what Walt said in his email.
John
08-21-2013, 11:14 PM
#114
Burning Brakes
Camera access won't sway pca......I have millions of hits on my YouTube channel and millions in sponsorship begging for more if the camera isn't perfect my awesomeness could be misunderstood and I may not look flat out
My actual point to the camera comment was that if its a pain in the *** to climb in from the passenger door with no helmet or hans its gonna be worse with them as compared to a cup car with no seat where its very easy to do so...
My actual point to the camera comment was that if its a pain in the *** to climb in from the passenger door with no helmet or hans its gonna be worse with them as compared to a cup car with no seat where its very easy to do so...
08-22-2013, 06:38 PM
#116
Instructor
Mo
If this stupid weight thing does not go through, I think you will find the stock brakes to be more than adequate. Coming from my E/F car with TT brakes, it took a little while to adjust.
My pedal never gets soft and I just run the sock air deflectors.
Additional front cooling will help with pad wear, but does not effect performance.
I get a whole season out of front rotors and 2 1/2 on the rear.
Sometimes the ABS is tricky in bumpy braking zones, but I have learned to adjust for that.
I don't like the big brake idea for G.
I think the way the 964's are currently classed for racing is perfect.
You can run stock and heavy in F 3181 lbs
You can run light in G as a RSA 2910
You run heavy and prepared in G 3180
You can run light and prepared in H 2910
What more do you want from a platform, that's a lot of flexibility.
Your comment about fast guys in G beating most of the H cars is true about the fast guys in all classes beating guys in faster classes.
Just goes to show the most piece of equipment is still the driver(except for PDK cars)
Looking forward to racing with you at TRAC
If this stupid weight thing does not go through, I think you will find the stock brakes to be more than adequate. Coming from my E/F car with TT brakes, it took a little while to adjust.
My pedal never gets soft and I just run the sock air deflectors.
Additional front cooling will help with pad wear, but does not effect performance.
I get a whole season out of front rotors and 2 1/2 on the rear.
Sometimes the ABS is tricky in bumpy braking zones, but I have learned to adjust for that.
I don't like the big brake idea for G.
I think the way the 964's are currently classed for racing is perfect.
You can run stock and heavy in F 3181 lbs
You can run light in G as a RSA 2910
You run heavy and prepared in G 3180
You can run light and prepared in H 2910
What more do you want from a platform, that's a lot of flexibility.
Your comment about fast guys in G beating most of the H cars is true about the fast guys in all classes beating guys in faster classes.
Just goes to show the most piece of equipment is still the driver(except for PDK cars)
Looking forward to racing with you at TRAC
)! I just have heard that a lot of guys move up to H because of the brake issue. I am looking forward to running with you as well. It would be nice to have a few more G cars, but Id rather have two guys like you and Wally to challenge myself with rather than 15 G cars that are not as quick (and clean) as you two. See ya next weekend!
08-22-2013, 06:41 PM
#117
Instructor
On the PDK note, I do not think going up one full class is fair. As some mentioned the slightly faster shifting really doesn't make up for a full class jump. Most of the newer cars with PDK like some caymans would be in classes with GT3s and turbos (996 versions) and it just wouldn't make too much sense. I do believe a nice 150 or so pound weight addition should be added to all PDK cars (I believe the PCA already has some weight adjustment).
08-22-2013, 06:43 PM
#118
Instructor
I don't have first hand experience with this but have thought this is the case....that adjustable shocks aren't much faster than well valved Bilstiens etc., if a all. Sometimes I think I'd be better off selling my JRZs and buy some Bilstiens so I don't have to F w/ my shocks all weekend and can focus on my driving.
08-22-2013, 07:51 PM
#119
Rennlist Member
car is going to the full cage on monday and it will be his first try out
08-23-2013, 10:48 AM
#120
Rennlist Member
Did your car come with JRZs or did you switch to them from bilstiens? I have custom valved bilstiens from Hairy Dog who did everything on my car prior to me purchasing it this year. I was thinking about going the route of JRZs next year, but really would love to get some input from someone who has made the switch.
I have often wondered if I should have just gone w/ custom Bilstiens esp when Baron did a 21.4 w/ Bilstiens at Summit in your car. But...JRZs are among the best shocks in the world so I'll probably stick with them for a while. They have been challenging though as I still am not happy w/ the car at Summit which is my home track. I can usually get it "right" or close to it at VIR. I'm thinking of changing the spring rates on my car again after many changes since I've owned them.