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Felipe Massa
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Michael Schumacher
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Nico Rosberg
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Nick Heidfeld
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Vitaly Petrov
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Rubens Barrichello
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Pastor Maldanodo
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Adrian Sutil
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Paul di Resta
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Kamui Kobayashi
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Sergio Perez
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Sebastien Buemi
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Jamie Algersuari
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Jarno Trulli
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2011 Italian Grand Prix
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I dont make excuses - what a joke. They did not hire me so I cant win! Vettel won in some lesser equipment. That is just one reason HE is there today.
All they have to do is get up there and beat Vettel then. So if RB is holding Webber back. Who is holding Alonso? Or Hamilton back? Or anybody else.
Beat him in qualifying. After all he had the slowest top speed car last week on the ENTIRE GRID. And he cant pass right. Except he swooped around Alonso and then just checked out.
Should be easy right. I mean he is second tier. Right?
Except for one small fact. He is so far ahead they cant even SEE him. Much less race him.
But to get up there and beat Vettel they are going to be looking good. REALLY GOOD. Because they will be beating the tar out of a whole list of World Champions including Scumacher, Hamilton, Button, and Alonso. Then they can pass Vettel. If they can whip all of them their life will be a lot better real soon. He want have to worry about Toro Rosso and what he "thinks he deserves."![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Vettel did beat his teammate. Quite well. If you dont know that you dont want to. Your so called "insiders" should know well the first guy you better beat is your teammate.
Vettel is beating every hairy butt out there. What else can they do except say either 1.) He is better. 2.) I dont have as good of equipment. Everybody that has ever raced has thought #2 at some time or another. Then they learned to be better. Or do like the soon to be out of job dood there.
The truth is this is what happens when a better driver and better team beats your butt. Over and over again.
Those on the "inside" my horse behind. Dont try to pee down everybodys leg.
All they have to do is get up there and beat Vettel then. So if RB is holding Webber back. Who is holding Alonso? Or Hamilton back? Or anybody else.
Beat him in qualifying. After all he had the slowest top speed car last week on the ENTIRE GRID. And he cant pass right. Except he swooped around Alonso and then just checked out.
Should be easy right. I mean he is second tier. Right?
Except for one small fact. He is so far ahead they cant even SEE him. Much less race him.
But to get up there and beat Vettel they are going to be looking good. REALLY GOOD. Because they will be beating the tar out of a whole list of World Champions including Scumacher, Hamilton, Button, and Alonso. Then they can pass Vettel. If they can whip all of them their life will be a lot better real soon. He want have to worry about Toro Rosso and what he "thinks he deserves."
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Vettel did beat his teammate. Quite well. If you dont know that you dont want to. Your so called "insiders" should know well the first guy you better beat is your teammate.
Vettel is beating every hairy butt out there. What else can they do except say either 1.) He is better. 2.) I dont have as good of equipment. Everybody that has ever raced has thought #2 at some time or another. Then they learned to be better. Or do like the soon to be out of job dood there.
The truth is this is what happens when a better driver and better team beats your butt. Over and over again.
Those on the "inside" my horse behind. Dont try to pee down everybodys leg.
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TR.....your funny ....
Is it vettel or is it the car ..... ?
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When Prost drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Senna, When Senna drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Prost. When Mansell drove the all conquering Williams he had to race PK, When Damon drove it he had to race JV and so on and so forth ........... = WDC
When Schublocker drove the all conquering Ferrari he never had to race his teammate ..... = Faux
When Button drove the all conquering Brawn he never had to race his teammate .... = Faux
Vettel is now driving the all conquering RB and he doesn't have to race his teammate ...... = Faux
So he is winning races in a very dominant car, with no inside presha, as the only other person with a car capable of beating him is his teammate, who is artificially being dealt doo, doo to make Vettel look like the "one " .....![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
The blind will praise Vettel's outside pass , where as those not humble enuff to post videos in an F1 blog, driving an F1-44 roving chicane module.... go OMG!!!
That RB has grip everywhere even in dirt .................![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Let Sebastiheeeen take his blows and beat Webber , then i will sing his praises ...Jaime Alguersuari is shouting if you are willing to listen ...
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When Prost drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Senna, When Senna drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Prost. When Mansell drove the all conquering Williams he had to race PK, When Damon drove it he had to race JV and so on and so forth ........... = WDC
When Schublocker drove the all conquering Ferrari he never had to race his teammate ..... = Faux
When Button drove the all conquering Brawn he never had to race his teammate .... = Faux
Vettel is now driving the all conquering RB and he doesn't have to race his teammate ...... = Faux
So he is winning races in a very dominant car, with no inside presha, as the only other person with a car capable of beating him is his teammate, who is artificially being dealt doo, doo to make Vettel look like the "one " .....
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The blind will praise Vettel's outside pass , where as those not humble enuff to post videos in an F1 blog, driving an F1-44 roving chicane module.... go OMG!!!
That RB has grip everywhere even in dirt .................
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Let Sebastiheeeen take his blows and beat Webber , then i will sing his praises ...Jaime Alguersuari is shouting if you are willing to listen ...
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9.5,
Don't waste your time on the keyboard addressing A. Whine. He's a legend in his own mind and everyone here already knows he's the Rennlist court jester and F1 circus clown. You're a little late to the party, but you're catching on.
Eventually you'll see that Alonso is overrated and on the downside of his career too.
Don't waste your time on the keyboard addressing A. Whine. He's a legend in his own mind and everyone here already knows he's the Rennlist court jester and F1 circus clown. You're a little late to the party, but you're catching on.
Eventually you'll see that Alonso is overrated and on the downside of his career too.
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IIRC, Webber was leading the 2010 WDC for most of the season and it was his to lose, which he did in Korea.
IIRC, Alonso was then leading the 2010 WDC after that and it was hers to lose, which she did at Abu Dhabi.
Vettel not only has to beat his teammate, but also has to beat the rest of the grid.
Vettel is maturing at a rapid rate, has always had talent (ask anyone who watched him in karts and the FBMW series) and works well with the team, which he did not build.
Add in Newey, who is and will always be considered the best ever, and Dietrich and you have what you see before you....the perfect package.
IIRC, Alonso was then leading the 2010 WDC after that and it was hers to lose, which she did at Abu Dhabi.
Vettel not only has to beat his teammate, but also has to beat the rest of the grid.
Vettel is maturing at a rapid rate, has always had talent (ask anyone who watched him in karts and the FBMW series) and works well with the team, which he did not build.
Add in Newey, who is and will always be considered the best ever, and Dietrich and you have what you see before you....the perfect package.
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Sir A.Wayne,
Next time you have lunch with Bernie, I would suggest replacing Massa with Alguersuari, who would be a perfect teammate for Alonso.
Memo to "Jaime Alguersuari" , STFU kid.
Next time you have lunch with Bernie, I would suggest replacing Massa with Alguersuari, who would be a perfect teammate for Alonso.
Memo to "Jaime Alguersuari" , STFU kid.
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BTW,
It is safe to say that RBR has already started to focus on the 2012 car, so I don't think they will be at a disadvantage regarding development time.
Unless of course the Ferrari International Assistance machine goes to work and declares Newey's pencil and drafting table illegal.
It is safe to say that RBR has already started to focus on the 2012 car, so I don't think they will be at a disadvantage regarding development time.
Unless of course the Ferrari International Assistance machine goes to work and declares Newey's pencil and drafting table illegal.
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TR.....your funny ....
Is it vettel or is it the car ..... ?
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When Prost drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Senna, When Senna drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Prost. When Mansell drove the all conquering Williams he had to race PK, When Damon drove it he had to race JV and so on and so forth ........... = WDC
When Schublocker drove the all conquering Ferrari he never had to race his teammate ..... = Faux
When Button drove the all conquering Brawn he never had to race his teammate .... = Faux
Vettel is now driving the all conquering RB and he doesn't have to race his teammate ...... = Faux
So he is winning races in a very dominant car, with no inside presha, as the only other person with a car capable of beating him is his teammate, who is artificially being dealt doo, doo to make Vettel look like the "one " .....![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
The blind will praise Vettel's outside pass , where as those not humble enuff to post videos in an F1 blog, driving an F1-44 roving chicane module.... go OMG!!!
That RB has grip everywhere even in dirt .................![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Let Sebastiheeeen take his blows and beat Webber , then i will sing his praises ...Jaime Alguersuari is shouting if you are willing to listen ...
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When Prost drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Senna, When Senna drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Prost. When Mansell drove the all conquering Williams he had to race PK, When Damon drove it he had to race JV and so on and so forth ........... = WDC
When Schublocker drove the all conquering Ferrari he never had to race his teammate ..... = Faux
When Button drove the all conquering Brawn he never had to race his teammate .... = Faux
Vettel is now driving the all conquering RB and he doesn't have to race his teammate ...... = Faux
So he is winning races in a very dominant car, with no inside presha, as the only other person with a car capable of beating him is his teammate, who is artificially being dealt doo, doo to make Vettel look like the "one " .....
![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
The blind will praise Vettel's outside pass , where as those not humble enuff to post videos in an F1 blog, driving an F1-44 roving chicane module.... go OMG!!!
That RB has grip everywhere even in dirt .................
![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
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Let Sebastiheeeen take his blows and beat Webber , then i will sing his praises ...Jaime Alguersuari is shouting if you are willing to listen ...
When Senna won in '90 and '91, his teammate was Berger. Hardly a title contender at a team, the team, known for equal equipment for both drivers.
(When Senna was at Lotus, he blocked Derrick Warwick from joining as he saw DW as a threat, in case you forgot.)
When Mansell won in '92, he did not have a teammate of equal talent.
How about Mika? He won in a Newey-All-Conquering McLaren. Prior to the '98 season, DC had 3 wins to Mikas 1. Is he a faux champion? Using your logic, you'd have to say yes.
The game changed for everyone in 2009, and if Brawn was better able to exploit the rules, so be it. In past arguments you've made a case for RB against MS, so what's changed?
Alonso does not have to race his teammate. Alonso did not have strong teammates during his title years either. Faux?
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When Prost drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Senna, When Senna drove the all conquering Mclaren he had to race Prost. When Mansell drove the all conquering Williams he had to race PK, When Damon drove it he had to race JV and so on and so forth ........... = WDC
When Schublocker drove the all conquering Ferrari he never had to race his teammate ..... = Faux
When Button drove the all conquering Brawn he never had to race his teammate .... = Faux
Vettel is now driving the all conquering RB and he doesn't have to race his teammate ...... = Faux
So he is winning races in a very dominant car, with no inside presha, as the only other person with a car capable of beating him is his teammate, who is artificially being dealt doo, doo to make Vettel look like the "one " .....![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
When Schublocker drove the all conquering Ferrari he never had to race his teammate ..... = Faux
When Button drove the all conquering Brawn he never had to race his teammate .... = Faux
Vettel is now driving the all conquering RB and he doesn't have to race his teammate ...... = Faux
So he is winning races in a very dominant car, with no inside presha, as the only other person with a car capable of beating him is his teammate, who is artificially being dealt doo, doo to make Vettel look like the "one " .....
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When Alonso drove the all conquering Renault, he never had to race Fisichella..... = Faux!!
Hey, your rules buddy, not mine.
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Smedley to Massa....Alonso is quicker than you, Alonso is quicker than you...do you understand?
Massa's foot slips off a dry throttle, Alonso passes him.
Smedley to Massa...Sorry mate.
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FAUX KILLA ....
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Now larry, when was Fisi ever faster than Alonso, better, when did they take off his front wing and give it to Alonso ...
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You guys really need to step up your game . dis too easy ..........
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Massa drives Alonso harder than anyone else on the track , i worry about him more than the others...
So beating one's teammate is the measure of a true Champion?
When Senna won in '90 and '91, his teammate was Berger. Hardly a title contender at a team, the team, known for equal equipment for both drivers.
(When Senna was at Lotus, he blocked Derrick Warwick from joining as he saw DW as a threat, in case you forgot.)
When Mansell won in '92, he did not have a teammate of equal talent.
How about Mika? He won in a Newey-All-Conquering McLaren. Prior to the '98 season, DC had 3 wins to Mikas 1. Is he a faux champion? Using your logic, you'd have to say yes.
The game changed for everyone in 2009, and if Brawn was better able to exploit the rules, so be it. In past arguments you've made a case for RB against MS, so what's changed?
Alonso does not have to race his teammate. Alonso did not have strong teammates during his title years either. Faux?
When Senna won in '90 and '91, his teammate was Berger. Hardly a title contender at a team, the team, known for equal equipment for both drivers.
(When Senna was at Lotus, he blocked Derrick Warwick from joining as he saw DW as a threat, in case you forgot.)
When Mansell won in '92, he did not have a teammate of equal talent.
How about Mika? He won in a Newey-All-Conquering McLaren. Prior to the '98 season, DC had 3 wins to Mikas 1. Is he a faux champion? Using your logic, you'd have to say yes.
The game changed for everyone in 2009, and if Brawn was better able to exploit the rules, so be it. In past arguments you've made a case for RB against MS, so what's changed?
Alonso does not have to race his teammate. Alonso did not have strong teammates during his title years either. Faux?
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I think Raj (your RL Alonso twin) would beg to differ. His general observation is that Massa doesn't deserve the seat, based on his lack of pace.
And yes, thanks to a very rare Ferrari engine failure at Suzuka, Alonso was WDC.