trumperZ06

Hhmmm.. that information is important at the time of "sentencing" !!!

At least wait for the trial... first !!!

GET IT !!!

jmreiser

There is a good point here... all sorts of major and minor rule bending (define cheating?) is a natural and inevitable part of racing, more or less, on & off, for many years. Maybe the question is how or why have the penalties become so huge in the last few years? I think it is fair to say that many people and teams have gotten away with some major infractions in the past. But something about the politics seems to have changed. It's sort of reminiscent of when the police shut down Rick's Casino in the old classic Casablanca movie, because the police chief says he has become aware that there is gambling there, though he was a "regular" customer there for years.

A.Wayne

Precisely

Now how far back are they willing to go if and when this Pandora's box get's open , I 'm sure Flav has a lot of tales and might not go down alone ...

Ray S

Come on Wayno, I didn't see you crying over what Flav may or may not have done in '94 before your girlfriend Alonso got mixed up in yet another scandal.

If you want to discuss '94 why not start up a new thread.

Personally, I think accusations of trying to remove a fuel filter to increase flow and save time in the pits are small time compared to intentionally throwing a race by crashing a car. Not to mention the lives (of your own driver, other drivers around him, and potentially fans in the stands) you put at risk by intentionally crashing. But, you obviously think it's the same.....so have at it.

It's obviously Bush's fault.....

multi21

Please people, do not get side tracked by A. Johnny Cochran Wayne's, nonsensical sideshow circus. His Fernando PR machine spin is ridiculous. Three card monty Wayne would have you believe that removing a fuel screen is the same as using stolen secrets from a competitor. He would have you believe that minor infractions and bending of the rules deserve the same penalty as a deliberate crash to influence the outcome of a F1 race.

When the Renault movable mass damper was found to be an illegal item, I found it to be the same as when Kimi's car was found to have a moveable floor. These are the types of things professional race teams try to get away with all the time. Interestingly enough, it was McLaren that reported to the FIA that Kimi's Ferrari was using the moveable floor (Austrialia 2007). The way McLaren knew that is that they had the stolen Ferrari blueprints. Funny how that backfired on them, eh?

Deliberately sending one of your drivers into a K-rail is on the same scale as the stolen secrets IMHO and the penalty should be severe. I wonder where this would have gone if Piquet was seriously injured in this unbelievable act... an act so bold and arrogant as to have it play out on a worldwide television feed!!

Sorry Wayne, but there is precedence that Alonso has lied to FIA investigators before when he was at McLaren. Pardon us if we don't believe the little biaatch now!!!

A.Wayne

Answer the question deflecto-man ...you presented it ..

Was Schumacher lying when he said he was not aware of the team cheating (it';s a long list ) yes or no .....................

thought so ...



Deflect away

A.Wayne

Deflecto -man 2 If Ferrari had developed the mass damper would the FIA have found it illegal .. thought so ..

Now when did Alonso lie to the FIA ? Alonso testified in front of the FIA , you Baraqi's are sumting else with the propaganda .... Shoomacher was the one that lied , get your stories straight ..

multi21

Keep deflecting and shuffling the cards, Johnny. It won't change the outcome of this investigation.

Right now, Alonso hasn't been implicated, but I believe Nelsinho is still holding back some cards. Now that he has immunity, we'll see what happens. Ahhhhhhh, can you imagine if Alonso is stripped of his Superlicense for a period of time because of foreknowledge that a teammate was going to impale himself into a wall for him? Forget about pull over, this is 15,000 times worse.

What a really little man Alonso. Has no shot at the WDC, but his ego is so fragile that he's willing to sacrafice a teammate to get a single win. So sad really and unbecoming of a two Ace card playa...

multi21

Yes. Just like they found their moveable floor illegal. Next question Johnny.

A.Wayne

A moveable floor is an aero device ... ........A mass Damper beside your big toe is not ...


Less try this again , Defleto-Amigo 1 said this :

My honest question is how could Alonso and his race engineer not know?

the Question :

Was Shoomacher lying when he said he did not know the team was cheating , just as Alonso is now saying .......


Hello ......Amigos ... was the great one lying again when he said he did not knooowwwoooohhhoo ..

multi21

I know it's difficult for you to do, but please try to formulate a thought all at once without 15 different edits, so I can respond once to your insane posts.

Let me address your latest edit: "Alonso testified in front of the FIA".

Yes, only after he was caught by his text messages with De la Rosa on what they were testing re: the Ferrari secrets. He initially denied everything.

Then he blackmailed Ron Dennis to try to force his hand to make him the clear #1 over Hamilton.

Then Alonso was given Immunity, just like Piquet now, to testify on what he knew about the situation.

OUTCOME: $100,000,000 fine to McLaren, No WCC points, lost of TV revenue from that.

Alonso is not getting immunity now, but he hasn't been accused of knowing, yet.

BlueRiver86

Piquet has no trouble crashing on his own... This was a bull**** blackmail stunt to keep him in the seat.

multi21

Wayne, perhaps your demencia is kicking in, but Alonso has never said he didn't know the team was cheating. He said he was surprised and then moved on to "I'm concentrating on this weekend and we have a lot of work to do, blah, blah blah".

I find it interesting that he has never said one way or the other whether he knew about it or not. Alonso has been involved in so many scandals, that he knows by now how to pick and choose his words for public consumption carefully.

But don't worry, Wayne, I'll keep it straight here on RL. I'm monitoring every word of Fernando's>>>>>>>

A.Wayne

Again you might find that above ground we like to work with proof ...The above reads like a white house press release on MSNBC..

Now show your evidence where Alonso testified and lied to the FIA and while you are at it , please show me where the FIA fined Alonso for lying ..

Now one more time

1. Was Shoomacher lying when he said he did not know Benetton was cheating .
2. Was Shoomacher lying when he said he stalled the car in Monaco
3. Was Shoomacher lying when he said he did not see JV when he hit him
4. Was Shoomacher lying when he said he did not see hill when he took him out
5. Was shoomacher lying when he said he was not aware of team orders at Ferrari ..
6. Was Shoomacher lying when he said he did not brake test Montoya in the tunnel ...


He answered all those questions in front of the FIA and we know what happened .. huh !
Hey come back ..................................

cgomez

Check what Briatore had to say about Nelsinho in his native tongue (missed by most UK journos):

http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/...ut-piquet.html

Classic Briatore!