My PCA region threw me out!! ADVISE PLEASE!
06-24-2009, 10:14 PM
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06-24-2009, 10:42 PM
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...and yes some of these instructors let me hit 150+ mph close on them and as I run up on them anticipating a point bye from an alert instructor I dont get one and hit the brakes instead, then they see me close on their bumper because I was forced to brake since I got no point by. does that make sense?
As a racer of a slow car I do look in my mirrors often, but on a long straight with you at 150 and my at well 110 you will get going from a dot to there right now. I may not have time to give a point by, but I promise never to take away the passing line without checking mirrors. As a slow car you have to expect guys to arrive in brake zone out of no where. Anyway I just don't think I could give a point fast enough, but I am smart enough to not slam the door on turn in without giving a point by.
Heck If guy in advnaced can't check his mirros before turn in he does not belong that kind group. You have no business slowing down on a straight "waiting for pass" go and take it... Now slowing to allow a faster low hp car pass is an entirely different situation and not a part of this discussion.
06-24-2009, 11:32 PM
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Awww Geeeez...
This is really devolving. The more time goes by, the more I'm starting to side with the CI. All we rail birds really have to go on here is intuition. I am sure there is WAY more to this than meets the eye. What's filling my eye in this thread - over time - is that you just have way more boost than you know what to do with. That can be a blessing as well as a curse, and I'm not talking about the car. That is another problem altogether.
I've run across a few "guys like you" over the years (mostly worse), and I have to say that a lot of them really struggle. They almost set themselves up for failure. The Type A thing really gets to be a boor after a while, and the care and feeding of that "personality" becomes tedious to the point that one just wishes it gone. Even if you give back as much as you "cost them," in time the benefit gets lost in a cost that becomes too great. In short, you might just not be worth it to them anymore.
I think you need to take some time and SERIUOSLY consider what your automotive goals are. You need to think about blending in a bit, both personally and autmotively. Sticking out furthest gets you knocked off first in many cases. Step back, get some Zen going, and ask yourself what is most important to you and what makes you happiest?
In the final analysis, you've gotten here on your own. I scarcely think it is really where you want to be.
Best of luck, and I mean that.
This is really devolving. The more time goes by, the more I'm starting to side with the CI. All we rail birds really have to go on here is intuition. I am sure there is WAY more to this than meets the eye. What's filling my eye in this thread - over time - is that you just have way more boost than you know what to do with. That can be a blessing as well as a curse, and I'm not talking about the car. That is another problem altogether.
I've run across a few "guys like you" over the years (mostly worse), and I have to say that a lot of them really struggle. They almost set themselves up for failure. The Type A thing really gets to be a boor after a while, and the care and feeding of that "personality" becomes tedious to the point that one just wishes it gone. Even if you give back as much as you "cost them," in time the benefit gets lost in a cost that becomes too great. In short, you might just not be worth it to them anymore.
I think you need to take some time and SERIUOSLY consider what your automotive goals are. You need to think about blending in a bit, both personally and autmotively. Sticking out furthest gets you knocked off first in many cases. Step back, get some Zen going, and ask yourself what is most important to you and what makes you happiest?
In the final analysis, you've gotten here on your own. I scarcely think it is really where you want to be.
Best of luck, and I mean that.
06-24-2009, 11:33 PM
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Referring to "a" CTI as a "*****" (it is a thankless job) and encouragiong "aggressive" driving for "real men" is hardly an environment conducive to a "Safety First" attitude which is what every PCA DE should have. However, I will assume that it was a bit of rhetoric to fit the theme of the thread, but if that is how it really is...then you don't have to worry about this "*****"
Also what I meant as "agressive" would be "9-10/10ths" driving.
06-24-2009, 11:44 PM
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That makes no sense at all. Not what you said, but what you described. If you are going down a straight at 150 mph which is proably only possible in your car I would not wait for a point by on a straight away. Heck anyone in an advanced instructor run group needs to hold their line on a straight enough to have car flash by and no spook them. Hitting the brakes to then wait for point by is DANGERIOUS. Much more so than just driving by.
As a racer of a slow car I do look in my mirrors often, but on a long straight with you at 150 and my at well 110 you will get going from a dot to there right now. I may not have time to give a point by, but I promise never to take away the passing line without checking mirrors. As a slow car you have to expect guys to arrive in brake zone out of no where. Anyway I just don't think I could give a point fast enough, but I am smart enough to not slam the door on turn in without giving a point by.
Heck If guy in advnaced can't check his mirros before turn in he does not belong that kind group. You have no business slowing down on a straight "waiting for pass" go and take it... Now slowing to allow a faster low hp car pass is an entirely different situation and not a part of this discussion.
As a racer of a slow car I do look in my mirrors often, but on a long straight with you at 150 and my at well 110 you will get going from a dot to there right now. I may not have time to give a point by, but I promise never to take away the passing line without checking mirrors. As a slow car you have to expect guys to arrive in brake zone out of no where. Anyway I just don't think I could give a point fast enough, but I am smart enough to not slam the door on turn in without giving a point by.
Heck If guy in advnaced can't check his mirros before turn in he does not belong that kind group. You have no business slowing down on a straight "waiting for pass" go and take it... Now slowing to allow a faster low hp car pass is an entirely different situation and not a part of this discussion.
my point was when approaching a slower car in a passing zone and staying on the gas expecting an anticpated point bye and just not getting it then so as to not "pass without a point bye" one would have to hit ones brakes. at that point there would be no further pass attempts in that zone.
06-24-2009, 11:45 PM
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06-25-2009, 12:20 AM
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Tom, those guys at your PCA region are a bunch of pussies! The CTI is the biggest ***** of all!!!!
There, I said it! You are welcome to run at our region anytime! We are all real men here, and can take "agressive driving" as much as we can dish it out!
Like many have said before, you are a class act, and it's really their loss.
There, I said it! You are welcome to run at our region anytime! We are all real men here, and can take "agressive driving" as much as we can dish it out!
Like many have said before, you are a class act, and it's really their loss.
06-25-2009, 12:29 AM
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Tom, those guys at your PCA region are a bunch of pussies! The CTI is the biggest ***** of all!!!!
There, I said it! You are welcome to run at our region anytime! We are all real men here, and can take "agressive driving" as much as we can dish it out!
Like many have said before, you are a class act, and it's really their loss.
There, I said it! You are welcome to run at our region anytime! We are all real men here, and can take "agressive driving" as much as we can dish it out!
Like many have said before, you are a class act, and it's really their loss.
06-25-2009, 12:34 AM
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Passed them without a signal? Sounds like you're both at fault there...hard to complain about being thrown out of an event when you blatantly broke one of the biggest safety rules IMO. It's only a few more seconds to pit in from the back straight where you could have reported the offenders and been let back out on track in open space. That said, BMW Club Racing has plenty of folks who seem to have done the "mirror delete" modification to their cars. 
i would expect a point by if i reel someone in on the straight. i will be WOT and will get very close to your bumper. afterall sometime this is the ONLY way certain drivers can see you. some time, the real dim wits dont see you until you actually hit them (luckily most my track mates are not so dim witted).
that said, if you dont point me by, i will veer off line or brake hard (chking my mirror first so the car behind me wont have to use me as his brakes), stay behind the lead car then report him. but i did pass without point by in the past, i have been warned and i have learned.
06-25-2009, 12:38 AM
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The point here is this, I NEVER broke ANY rules. never passed without a point bye.
I was flagged for getting on the gas at in the corner of an approach to the passing zone ie coming out of turn 5 into 6 and passing before the first bridge at Sebring if that is familiar. things like that. and fine I stand corrected.
and yes some of these instructors let me hit 150+ mph close on them and as I run up on them anticipating a point bye from an alert instructor I dont get one and hit the brakes instead, then they see me close on their bumper because I was forced to brake since I got no point by. does that make sense?
I was flagged for getting on the gas at in the corner of an approach to the passing zone ie coming out of turn 5 into 6 and passing before the first bridge at Sebring if that is familiar. things like that. and fine I stand corrected.
and yes some of these instructors let me hit 150+ mph close on them and as I run up on them anticipating a point bye from an alert instructor I dont get one and hit the brakes instead, then they see me close on their bumper because I was forced to brake since I got no point by. does that make sense?
the organizer and i talked... well more like we had a shouting match and then less loud shouting match and then talked and understood each other.
06-25-2009, 09:48 AM
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That in itself may provide further enlightenment. I'm sorry for offending you, as it is not what I intended. Are you not a "Type A" guy, running "lots of boost," and struggling terribly right now? Then, if so, might not the mirror be calling you?
It's a real hard thing to do, but just to make extra sure, I'd look there first.
06-25-2009, 10:10 AM
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Really? What region is that? Are you familiar with the Suncoast Region and its DE and racing programs?
06-25-2009, 10:19 AM
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Hmmmmm....
That in itself may provide further enlightenment. I'm sorry for offending you, as it is not what I intended. Are you not a "Type A" guy, running "lots of boost," and struggling terribly right now? Then, if so, might not the mirror be calling you?
It's a real hard thing to do, but just to make extra sure, I'd look there first.
That in itself may provide further enlightenment. I'm sorry for offending you, as it is not what I intended. Are you not a "Type A" guy, running "lots of boost," and struggling terribly right now? Then, if so, might not the mirror be calling you?
It's a real hard thing to do, but just to make extra sure, I'd look there first.
