View Poll Results: Who won the debate: MK (HP) or VR (Torque)
Mk won with a simple to understand concept that HP determines torque at the wheels at any speed.
25
17.48%
MK won: When comparing equal HP cars, the one with less torque COULD be better on the road course.
6
4.20%
VR won: When comparing equal HP cars, the one with more torque is better on a road course.
44
30.77%
Neither, as physics dont apply to race cars
18
12.59%
I don't want to open this can of worms again!
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34.97%
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Poll: Who won the HP vs Torque debate?
03-19-2009, 03:30 PM
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Hacker, your graph is missing THE KEY component. Please add the curve showing the effects of a Type R sticker!
03-19-2009, 03:35 PM
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03-19-2009, 03:35 PM
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03-19-2009, 03:42 PM
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After looking at the green tune its pretty apparent that your BMW never sees any time below 4k rpm. Is that big wiggle due to the car oscillating on the dyno?
03-19-2009, 03:45 PM
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Thats why this discussion is so good. Bryan would never spend any time below 5500rpm, right bryan?? remember you want to maximize HP not torque at any and all speeds.
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03-19-2009, 03:48 PM
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Then, you do get it now! good!
what did you think of the two equal HP, disparate torque engine curves?
see how the lower torque engine can make more rear wheel torque at any rpm now?
Mk
what did you think of the two equal HP, disparate torque engine curves?
see how the lower torque engine can make more rear wheel torque at any rpm now?
Mk
If the shape of the curve is the same then I do agree that you can produce the same rear wheel torque, but I can't quite wrap my around the viability of ever trying to empirically prove this. I can't come up with a solution that would make this possible. Theoretically it works but I'm not sure this is physically possible. Having two engines with identical shaped curves over different rev ranges, no way.
03-19-2009, 03:50 PM
#339
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I find there's lots of power under these curves.
PS. I think, I'm not sure, but when MK says lower torque or higher torque he doesn't mean an engine that actually has lower torque or higher overall torque numbers. But where the majority of the torque is produced by the motor at certain revs. I think.
Maybe.
More overall torque. For longer rev range. More good.
PS. I think, I'm not sure, but when MK says lower torque or higher torque he doesn't mean an engine that actually has lower torque or higher overall torque numbers. But where the majority of the torque is produced by the motor at certain revs. I think.
Maybe.
More overall torque. For longer rev range. More good.
03-19-2009, 03:50 PM
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03-19-2009, 03:51 PM
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03-19-2009, 03:51 PM
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I assume the wiggle is the car moving...I wasn't there when the car was being tuned.