juan pablo montoya = biggest cry baby
01-25-2009, 11:10 PM
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I love the way the Ganassi guys had the nerve to whine about power..... What about the WHOLE of last year, Pruett is good (Rojas is not), but not that good. The break GA (new cams, amongst other things) gave them for the final race of 07' has left them with more power than the entire field for that race and the last year....
He is fast in every car he gets in. He's regularly recruited by other teams to work with younger drivers. He's won at pretty much every level he's been at with NASCAR Sprint Cup level being the only one I can think of that he hasn't (although he's had a few podiums). He's won multiple season titles in multiple cars with multiple organizations.
The guy can drive.
01-25-2009, 11:16 PM
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Asto the comment about the staid PR comments, I agree. I hate them, too. Listen to Bill Auberlen sometime.
But I would rather hear them, and some congratulations offered to the victor (as Montoya's teammates did) then boo-****ing-hoo whining about this or that.
01-25-2009, 11:23 PM
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^ I agree w/ your points. But, we all were watching and not "vested". He just raced his heart out and lost, he knows it, but his competitive spirit won't let him admit it even to himself much less to a clown sticking a microphone in his face moments thereafter. Your point re his 'star' is well put and correct IMO but he did not have that perspective when he spoke.
01-25-2009, 11:23 PM
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Bob,
This year the DPs have the 3996cc (4.0l) engine the RSRs had last year, but in unrestricted form. If you read the Grand Am engine rules, the Porsche Flat 6 is basically unrestricted in components, but new for this year is a 9200rpm redline whereas last years 3.8l engine had no rev limit. In addition, effective 2/1/09 the 3.8l engine is no longer an eligible engine. The V8 engines are all limited in compression ratio, duration and lift on the camshaft, number of throttle bodies, crankshaft weight, connecting rod + piston weight.
This year the DPs have the 3996cc (4.0l) engine the RSRs had last year, but in unrestricted form. If you read the Grand Am engine rules, the Porsche Flat 6 is basically unrestricted in components, but new for this year is a 9200rpm redline whereas last years 3.8l engine had no rev limit. In addition, effective 2/1/09 the 3.8l engine is no longer an eligible engine. The V8 engines are all limited in compression ratio, duration and lift on the camshaft, number of throttle bodies, crankshaft weight, connecting rod + piston weight.
01-25-2009, 11:25 PM
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I have to disagree here. Pruett IS that good.
He is fast in every car he gets in. He's regularly recruited by other teams to work with younger drivers. He's won at pretty much every level he's been at with NASCAR Sprint Cup level being the only one I can think of that he hasn't (although he's had a few podiums). He's won multiple season titles in multiple cars with multiple organizations.
The guy can drive.
He is fast in every car he gets in. He's regularly recruited by other teams to work with younger drivers. He's won at pretty much every level he's been at with NASCAR Sprint Cup level being the only one I can think of that he hasn't (although he's had a few podiums). He's won multiple season titles in multiple cars with multiple organizations.
The guy can drive.
01-25-2009, 11:26 PM
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Like Bob R. Asked what are the differences in the Porsche motor this year.
Did Grand Am LIFT restrictions on Porsche or put MORE restrictions on Lexus.
After winning THREE 24's in a row (and I am a fan of Montoya's) I thought he came across
as a Cry baby and David Hobbs said the same thing in closing the show.
He came across as being greedy after winning 3 in a row and the next guy said Porsche
should be "investigated"??!! That was crap.(the next Target teammate)
Did Grand Am LIFT restrictions on Porsche or put MORE restrictions on Lexus.
After winning THREE 24's in a row (and I am a fan of Montoya's) I thought he came across
as a Cry baby and David Hobbs said the same thing in closing the show.
He came across as being greedy after winning 3 in a row and the next guy said Porsche
should be "investigated"??!! That was crap.(the next Target teammate)
01-25-2009, 11:30 PM
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Another quick thing, did anyone notice the 59 wasn't nearly as fast at the end of the straight as the 58? That would lead one to believe it also had something to do with setup....
01-25-2009, 11:35 PM
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Oh, brother.
Please research how often great winners like Redman and Gurney and Andretti (Mario) and Fangio and others whined, and get back to us.
It's one thing to have a hard time accepting it--I agree with you there.
It's another thing entirely to have so little self control to feel compelled to blabber about it to anyone who will listen.
Please research how often great winners like Redman and Gurney and Andretti (Mario) and Fangio and others whined, and get back to us.
It's one thing to have a hard time accepting it--I agree with you there.
It's another thing entirely to have so little self control to feel compelled to blabber about it to anyone who will listen.
You got to be forking kidding ............................
Gurney - no
Redman - no
Andretti - yes , like a Prima ballerina ( all 3 )
Foyt - Yes like a Texas Prima ballerina
Pruit - Yes
Billy - Yes, Yes , Yessssss
Bergmiester - yes
Long - Yes
These are also different times , Narcissism rules at the top level , ask MS.................
Here is my observation:
Most drivers these days appear to be reading from a script. They say all the right things and thank all the right people. Problem is they all sound the same. Little character. I personally know one of the top young DP drivers (I won't name him out of respect) and watched him move up the ranks from Karting. Copious sums of money went to PR coaches to ensure his camera presence was just so. Boring. References were made to some of the old drivers such as Andretti and Gurney. They probably were true gentlemen. This is who they were. Senna was always complaining. Talk to those who know Pruett, Angelleli and others off camera, talk about complaining. JPM is a fierce competitor and wants to win, and he throws his "observations" out for the world to see. I'd rather hear that than a mono tone rehearsed sound bite.
Thats just what I would like to see.
Most drivers these days appear to be reading from a script. They say all the right things and thank all the right people. Problem is they all sound the same. Little character. I personally know one of the top young DP drivers (I won't name him out of respect) and watched him move up the ranks from Karting. Copious sums of money went to PR coaches to ensure his camera presence was just so. Boring. References were made to some of the old drivers such as Andretti and Gurney. They probably were true gentlemen. This is who they were. Senna was always complaining. Talk to those who know Pruett, Angelleli and others off camera, talk about complaining. JPM is a fierce competitor and wants to win, and he throws his "observations" out for the world to see. I'd rather hear that than a mono tone rehearsed sound bite.
Thats just what I would like to see.
I did not view it as a put down to Donahue , more to suggest how hard he was trying and how fast the Porsche's where ...
It's understandable and no different when Walter Rohrl complained about being beaten by a " woman " talking about the advantage Audi had being 4 wheel drive .
I guess Listers would have Walter as a Whiner ...........................
I have to disagree here. Pruett IS that good.
He is fast in every car he gets in. He's regularly recruited by other teams to work with younger drivers. He's won at pretty much every level he's been at with NASCAR Sprint Cup level being the only one I can think of that he hasn't (although he's had a few podiums). He's won multiple season titles in multiple cars with multiple organizations.
The guy can drive.
He is fast in every car he gets in. He's regularly recruited by other teams to work with younger drivers. He's won at pretty much every level he's been at with NASCAR Sprint Cup level being the only one I can think of that he hasn't (although he's had a few podiums). He's won multiple season titles in multiple cars with multiple organizations.
The guy can drive.
Pruit was always a good Driver .... much more so than David ......
Bob,
This year the DPs have the 3996cc (4.0l) engine the RSRs had last year, but in unrestricted form. If you read the Grand Am engine rules, the Porsche Flat 6 is basically unrestricted in components, but new for this year is a 9200rpm redline whereas last years 3.8l engine had no rev limit. In addition, effective 2/1/09 the 3.8l engine is no longer an eligible engine. The V8 engines are all limited in compression ratio, duration and lift on the camshaft, number of throttle bodies, crankshaft weight, connecting rod + piston weight.
This year the DPs have the 3996cc (4.0l) engine the RSRs had last year, but in unrestricted form. If you read the Grand Am engine rules, the Porsche Flat 6 is basically unrestricted in components, but new for this year is a 9200rpm redline whereas last years 3.8l engine had no rev limit. In addition, effective 2/1/09 the 3.8l engine is no longer an eligible engine. The V8 engines are all limited in compression ratio, duration and lift on the camshaft, number of throttle bodies, crankshaft weight, connecting rod + piston weight.
louder than the V8's ....
01-25-2009, 11:45 PM
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You got to be forking kidding ............................
Gurney - no
Redman - no
Andretti - yes , like a Prima ballerina ( all 3 )
Foyt - Yes like a Texas Prima ballerina
Pruit - Yes
Billy - Yes, Yes , Yessssss
Bergmiester - yes
Long - Yes
These are also different times , Narcissism rules at the top level , ask MS.................
Gurney - no
Redman - no
Andretti - yes , like a Prima ballerina ( all 3 )
Foyt - Yes like a Texas Prima ballerina
Pruit - Yes
Billy - Yes, Yes , Yessssss
Bergmiester - yes
Long - Yes
These are also different times , Narcissism rules at the top level , ask MS.................
Your recollection differs greatly from mine regarding Mario Andretti, then.
I did not mention the others, nor do I care about them....unless you also add Fernanda Alonsette to that list.
01-25-2009, 11:48 PM
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No doubt he is very good, but I would rank Alex Gurney above him ANY day. He is faster, cleaner, and most of all not full of himself. I'm sick of the endless bantering by the commentators about how good Pruett is, and how he does nothing wrong. Pruett is dirty, except he blames everyone else, and due to his age, experience and GAs love of Ganassi, gets off scott free. Last year, Rojas and Pruett were destroying Gurney and Fogarty, and IMO that had everything to do with motor. IE the Daytona sprint race, where ironically enough Pruett was able to just blow by on the last lap, exactly like Donahue was able to (just for Pruett it was a bit easier).
Like Bob R. Asked what are the differences in the Porsche motor this year.
Did Grand Am LIFT restrictions on Porsche or put MORE restrictions on Lexus.
After winning THREE 24's in a row (and I am a fan of Montoya's) I thought he came across
as a Cry baby and David Hobbs said the same thing in closing the show.
He came across as being greedy after winning 3 in a row and the next guy said Porsche
should be "investigated"??!! That was crap.(the next Target teammate)
Did Grand Am LIFT restrictions on Porsche or put MORE restrictions on Lexus.
After winning THREE 24's in a row (and I am a fan of Montoya's) I thought he came across
as a Cry baby and David Hobbs said the same thing in closing the show.
He came across as being greedy after winning 3 in a row and the next guy said Porsche
should be "investigated"??!! That was crap.(the next Target teammate)
It was 2 in a row , this would have been his 3rd..................................
it was not a big deal , What would you have liked Montoya to say ?
Hey great race , drove my ***** off, beaten by a guy who couldn't even make it to F3 , never even won anything before, damn i even had the wing down , he still pulled me on the straights , must have had NOS
Yes it could have been worse
Enjoy the moment , it was fantastic and great.... Montoya's comment was nothing ...
01-25-2009, 11:51 PM
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GO back, you memory might be failing , the height of Mario's whining peaked in 93/94 with mansell as his teammate...
01-25-2009, 11:51 PM
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I would have liked him to say what the next guy after him said when he caught him self whining.
"this is great for Brumous and Porsche and historically a good win for both of them"
I like JPM and was just disappointed thats all. Like I said David Hobbs said the same thing.
"this is great for Brumous and Porsche and historically a good win for both of them"
I like JPM and was just disappointed thats all. Like I said David Hobbs said the same thing.
01-25-2009, 11:52 PM
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About adding your bromance-boytoy Fernanda Alonsette to the all-time whiners' list.....
