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About as predictable a response as I could have expected from you.
So I guess all the National staff just suddenly appeared there right? Never did anything at the local level?
Maybe understand what your taking about before you post anything once in a while.
As a board member of the largest local racing club under a regional sactioning body, we at the local club level were 100% united in trying to effect change that was vital to club racing's survival, and it took us years of going nowhere with the regional level board. It took regional members dying off and a couple 'young' guys that were like minded to finally set the wheels in motion for us. They got on because they knew the right people and were in the right city which is traditionally a revival to our club.
So I'd say based on my experience Winders is if anything probably really smoothing over just how 'easy' it is to effect change at the national level from the local level.
Too funny. I have volunteered in National clubs and made it to a National position in one of them. I have been a member of PCA since 1993 and know people that have volunteered and aspired to National positions and have watched what they had to go through politically to make progress in doing so. So I do indeed know what I am talking about. PCA is the most political club I have ever seen. If you are not part of the right group or don't have the right people as friends, you are NEVER getting anywhere at the National level. You have zero influence on National at the local and regional levels. ALL the power is at National and they don't share. Unless this changes, and it hasn't in the last 30 years, your suggestion doesn't help with what the OP is experiencing.
Go ahead, volunteer. I think that is a great thing to do. But, if you think anyone that volunteers today will have any impact on what happens at the National level any time soon, you are dreaming. Maybe 10 to 20 years down the road, if they are politically savvy and make the right friends, they have might have a shot.
What Scott says is absolutely correct. The top positions, including CR, rotate out so it's not that the EC or CR folks stay in place for years, but........... in order to be picked as a candidate and move forward it takes years and the individuals are hand picked by a few folks, a self perpetuating situation.
Wow, what a crazy deal. I race at my local club in GT4 cars, run some SCCA Super Tour events and also do some MX-5 Cup racing with IMSA. Was thinking about getting a 911Cup and doing PCA, but after seeing this, I'll happily stay away. I have a CPAP as well and none of these I run with care at all as long as the doctor signs off.
Just in case there is someone new, Todd isn't allowed to race at the Zone 1 PCA Watkin Glen Club race because he snores, but would be allowed by the FIA to race at Le Mans if he was a better driver. You are allowed to use a CPAP in France without repercussion.
Thanks for sharing a fact that provides further context to Todd's plight.
I believe that this has been mentioned in the thread before, but as I type this, there are numerous airliners in the skies above us who are being commanded by pilots who use a CPAP machine. I would suggest that the odds of someone dozing off are considerably greater when at cruise altitude on autopilot during a six-hour flight, as opposed to competing in a road racing event...
A committee! Finally, some action.
Luigi's case will finally be heard by the OCDO.
The Official Committee for Deflection and Obfuscation.
Unfortunately, the proceedings will be held behind closed doors, and the results will not be made public.
And Luigi will be compelled to sign an NDA before they will disclose their findings to him.
The doctor has spoken, he is wrong, he can't admit that he's wrong, and his colleagues in volunteer leadership positions have rallied around him, so now he really can't admit that he's wrong, because that would be very embarrassing for him and all who rallied around him.
Thanks for sharing a fact that provides further context to Todd's plight.
I believe that this has been mentioned in the thread before, but as I type this, there are numerous airliners in the skies above us who are being commanded by pilots who use a CPAP machine. I would suggest that the odds of someone dozing off are considerably greater when at cruise altitude on autopilot during a six-hour flight, as opposed to competing in a road racing event...
I would venture that the odds of a Commercial pilot with treated OSA drifting off to sleep mid flight is 100’sX greater than a driver at a road course. Perhaps 1,000X’s greater.
Do you know the official rules re: Pilots and documentation of OSA treatment?
I am certainly not an FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but I know from former colleagues that pilots with sleep apnea can maintain their FAA Medical Certificate by providing data from their "recording CPAP" machine to their AME during their flight physicals. The FAA also allows for pilots to have a "home" CPAP, and smaller, portable one in which they take with them on trips. Bottom line is that there are many active airline pilots who use a CPAP machine..
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I am certainly not an FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but I know from former colleagues that pilots with sleep apnea can maintain their FAA Medical Certificate by providing data from their "recording CPAP" machine to their AME during their flight physicals. The FAA also allows for pilots to have a "home" CPAP, and smaller, portable one in which they take with them on trips. Bottom line is that there are many active airline pilots who use a CPAP machine..
PCA's position seems to be that someone with OSA who uses a CPAP can race if they provide data showing usage of the CPAP. If I were in Luigi's shoes, I probably would have just provided the data ...
PCA's position seems to be that someone with OSA who uses a CPAP can race if they provide data showing usage of the CPAP. If I were in Luigi's shoes, I probably would have just provided the data ...
To add to the ridiculousness of all this maybe if drivers promise to wear their portable CPAP while driving they won't have to supply data. Something like this...
I am certainly not an FAA Aviation Medical Examiner (AME), but I know from former colleagues that pilots with sleep apnea can maintain their FAA Medical Certificate by providing data from their "recording CPAP" machine to their AME during their flight physicals. The FAA also allows for pilots to have a "home" CPAP, and smaller, portable one in which they take with them on trips. Bottom line is that there are many active airline pilots who use a CPAP machine..
I wonder if the FAA got their standards from the Long Haul Truckers Assn
J/K of course….but it does sound like there are far more parallels between a professional aviator flying “long haul” routes and an over-the-road truck driver, rather than a PCA Club Racer (and I mean no disrespect to airline pilots - some of my best friends are airline pilots, right…DKP?)
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