I can envision a scenario where folks involved at PCA CR had a discussion about chronic medical conditions, including OSA and diabetes. And over time there was further discussion about standards.

Closing thing might be in trucking, but the ground is a bit unstable.

It appears much of the "activity" on OSA in trucking is relatively recent-- perhaps the last 15 or so years.

I can envision one or more PCA CR folks realizing that the footing is a bit dicey in trucking , but then "going for it" with the data requests.

And as I said before, feeling that if everyone simply complied, they could avoid issues like those in trucking.

I have not read every post, but my impression is that the OP was completely caught off guard on this and began to ask questions

Even if PCA CR initially demanded months of data, it would seem that as soon as the OP/candidate explained the situation, they could have allowed the license with some follow up.

It appears examiners in trucking have that type of flexibility.

It isn't even clear if a future candidate situated in a similar fashion to the OP, that cannot or prefers not to provide CPAP data, would be allowed to submit a letter from a sleep doctor confirming that OSA is "under control."

As has been said over and over, it seems that all of this might motivate candidates to be careful about what they disclose, to avoid potential delays, entanglements, and other types of issues.

That can have quite serious untoward consequences in terms of safety if it becomes a major trend.

It appears that links between OSA dx, CPAP rx and human performance in trucking are still being explored... hence the "no rules rules" that appear be in place.

I suspect any similar links with even the highest human performance demands experienced in PCA CR are "way out on the long tail" in terms of risk.

Way, way out.

 

This may be the RL thread with the most views/comments that doesn't involve *****. Or Cup car incidents. But mainly *****.

 

No *****, but to bring this thread back on topic....

 

You’re no longer on the medical committee, and we don’t need to know what went on behind the scenes, but perhaps you could give your personal opinions on the medical clearance and risk management issues.

 

It's not true. There are ***** in this thread. I keep reading their posts.

 

No, it’s when someone has a tendency to bloviate. They’re “speechus”

 

Sad, isn't it? Just an abundance of specious bloviation.

 

Quick, somebody with access to an AI image generator, run an image gen on the phrase “stacked hot chick wearing a CPAP, driving a cup car”…

 

Stop thinking like a lawyer and use some common sense. The person who can provide CPAP data is more likely to be using it every day.

My wife uses her CPAP every day, including the night before track days. If PCA asked her to provide CPAP data, she would do so without arguing that she knows better than the doctors who went through four years of medical school, years of residency, and years or decades of clinical experience.

PCA doesn’t have to prove to her, you, or anyone else that CPAP usage improves safety. Try proving that it doesn’t. You can’t. Try to get data on every track incident and show untreated OSA was never a contributing factor. You can’t.

 

i think this was my issue with approach. Once you disclose a medical condition, you have to disclose treatment details as well. Alternatively, do not disclose at all. That is just how most physicians would look at this issue. That’s all there was to it whether anyone agrees or not.

 

The medical form requires disclosure, and asks the personal doctor to sign off. If you don't disclose, you are lying to your personal doctor or asking your personal doctor to lie on your behalf. I have no problem with people willing to lie on the form being denied a license.

 

I guess the world needs sheep that just listen to what they are told.

My only surprise is that I expected to find them in the left lane driving a Prius, but not on Rennlist.

 

Why do shepherds in Connecticut keep their flocks of sheep high up on cliffs?

 

Spot on

 

Myopic?