Anticipation of pass?
#61
One thing that I may have missed in this thread is the first thing that came into my head. Did you go and talk to the other driver? Especially if this is in your home area and run group, these are the folks you'll be driving with for the most part for quite a while assuming somewhat similar promotion rates. I find that if I check my ego and just go and have a straightforward conversation with another driver that we begin to understand each other, build relationships and create the predictability that you'll need when you get to the faster run groups. Done right, you'll probably gain a new beer drinking buddy for the end of the day or figure out a car to avoid at all costs on the track, and the latter has rarely happened to me. So far we've only gotten one side of the story and there are always at least three (yours, mine and the truth). He may have a good explanation or he may just say that he came up on you faster than he realized. Either way someone gains a little more SA, always good to have on the track.
i did not talk to the other driver. I was kinda hot and didnt think it was a good idea. I did let an experienced person in the region know what had happened along with my instructor from the day before. I did try to line up farther back in the next few sessions, hoping to not hold up the group in the first couple of laps. I am pretty sure he figured out he screwed up and adjusted his driving as i didnt have any other issues with him. I doubt i will see him again as i drove over 7hrs to attend this event.
#62
I'm assuming you mean "give the point TO the inside of the turn"....many, but not all, PCA regions I've driven with want points given in the direction of the upcoming turn, which puts the faster car on the inside of the turn.
I just finished an event that used PCA Expanded Passing in the advanced run groups and points were allowed on either side.
I just finished an event that used PCA Expanded Passing in the advanced run groups and points were allowed on either side.
#63
Doesn’t always work out that way, but that’s what they expect and convey at the morning meetings. They do it that way for safety.
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#64
PCA need to extend passing to include braking zone. Passing in braking zone prior to turn in helps the traffic flow.
most likely a faster driver will out brake and take corner at 2-3mph faster so better for both faster and slower driver with passing in breaking zone.
obviously this would only be for the two most advanced groups.
most likely a faster driver will out brake and take corner at 2-3mph faster so better for both faster and slower driver with passing in breaking zone.
obviously this would only be for the two most advanced groups.
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You know, people forget what it's like to start out in this sport. They also forget how daunting and cautious they were when learning new tracks far from home, or even those close to home.
A little kindness and courtesy goes a long way...
Sure, we've all seen the lines blur between what used to be the standard DE protocol of designated passing zones, then progressing to "passing in the straights only," finally to "passing anywhere with a point."
Of course, it's easy to make the leap from "pass anywhere with a point," to where you think you saw a point and take it, when there might not have been one...
I do get impatient and annoyed with DE and track day people who complain about being "held up" or "having their lap ruined."
It's all about them, rather than managing the situation and choreographing a successful pass or passes.
Go real racing, if you can't be disciplined, courteous or safe about it in a DE. But don't bitch when two Cup cars split you at the entrance to a brake zone, or even through or at a corner exit.
I hate that the OP even felt the need to come to this community with this experience and ask the question in the first place. They shouldn't have had to. We've all been where they are. /rantoff
A little kindness and courtesy goes a long way...
Sure, we've all seen the lines blur between what used to be the standard DE protocol of designated passing zones, then progressing to "passing in the straights only," finally to "passing anywhere with a point."
Of course, it's easy to make the leap from "pass anywhere with a point," to where you think you saw a point and take it, when there might not have been one...
I do get impatient and annoyed with DE and track day people who complain about being "held up" or "having their lap ruined."
It's all about them, rather than managing the situation and choreographing a successful pass or passes.
Go real racing, if you can't be disciplined, courteous or safe about it in a DE. But don't bitch when two Cup cars split you at the entrance to a brake zone, or even through or at a corner exit.
I hate that the OP even felt the need to come to this community with this experience and ask the question in the first place. They shouldn't have had to. We've all been where they are. /rantoff
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#66
#67
If your group is running PCA "Extended Passing" you can pass anywhere on the track with a point. Draw a line down the middle of the track, anywhere, and each of you stay on your side. If the faster car doesn't want to take the pass, signal the slower car and don't take it. Simple.
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#69
perhaps we should stop staying PCA because this must be a regional thing. The message has never changed in my region in many many years. That is: lead car keeps line, passing imitation and completion in the straight, passer goes off line to make pass. Also, we’re not talking about extended passing groups we’re talking about OP level groups, Green and Blue.
#70
perhaps we should stop staying PCA because this must be a regional thing. The message has never changed in my region in many many years. That is: lead car keeps line, passing imitation and completion in the straight, passer goes off line to make pass. Also, we’re not talking about extended passing groups we’re talking about OP level groups, Green and Blue.
#71
Best thing to do is do David Murry events where it is all advanced drivers and pass anywhere anytime and don't worry about point by's. Or just do races instead of HPDE. If you go to a HPDE, you have to know it will be slower and you need more patience. We all started out as beginners.
#72
Should probably be a different thread, but the topic is borderline whiny, so forget it. Arguing someone’s stated experience doesn’t make you right and them wrong.
#73
Best thing to do is do David Murry events where it is all advanced drivers and pass anywhere anytime and don't worry about point by's. Or just do races instead of HPDE. If you go to a HPDE, you have to know it will be slower and you need more patience. We all started out as beginners.
#74
The last advanced DE I ran was in conjunction with a clubrace. DE'ers in the advanced passing group were advised that they could pass anywhere on the track with a pointby but passing was on the LH side only regarless of which way the turn went: i.e.no arm extension pointing over the top of the car, straight arm only.
#75
The last advanced DE I ran was in conjunction with a clubrace. DE'ers in the advanced passing group were advised that they could pass anywhere on the track with a pointby but passing was on the LH side only regarless of which way the turn went: i.e.no arm extension pointing over the top of the car, straight arm only.