De Jeeper

i did not talk to the other driver. I was kinda hot and didnt think it was a good idea. I did let an experienced person in the region know what had happened along with my instructor from the day before. I did try to line up farther back in the next few sessions, hoping to not hold up the group in the first couple of laps. I am pretty sure he figured out he screwed up and adjusted his driving as i didnt have any other issues with him. I doubt i will see him again as i drove over 7hrs to attend this event.

Berringer

Sorry, yes. I assumed some semantics in my comment aided by The Balvenie I’m pretty sure every group allows points to either side, but I was saying to give the overtaking car the apex.

dgrobs

PCA wants you pointing in the direction of the upcoming corner, just as gbuff said.
Doesn’t always work out that way, but that’s what they expect and convey at the morning meetings. They do it that way for safety.

tgavem

PCA need to extend passing to include braking zone. Passing in braking zone prior to turn in helps the traffic flow.

most likely a faster driver will out brake and take corner at 2-3mph faster so better for both faster and slower driver with passing in breaking zone.
obviously this would only be for the two most advanced groups.

ProCoach

You know, people forget what it's like to start out in this sport. They also forget how daunting and cautious they were when learning new tracks far from home, or even those close to home.

A little kindness and courtesy goes a long way...

Sure, we've all seen the lines blur between what used to be the standard DE protocol of designated passing zones, then progressing to "passing in the straights only," finally to "passing anywhere with a point."

Of course, it's easy to make the leap from "pass anywhere with a point," to where you think you saw a point and take it, when there might not have been one...

I do get impatient and annoyed with DE and track day people who complain about being "held up" or "having their lap ruined."

It's all about them, rather than managing the situation and choreographing a successful pass or passes.

Go real racing, if you can't be disciplined, courteous or safe about it in a DE. But don't bitch when two Cup cars split you at the entrance to a brake zone, or even through or at a corner exit.

I hate that the OP even felt the need to come to this community with this experience and ask the question in the first place. They shouldn't have had to. We've all been where they are. /rantoff

steved0x

You may! I see some of the same cars (and great new friends) from VIR, Sebring, and points in between :-) VIR is a 10 hour drive for me so I only go once per year, wish I was closer :-)

gbuff

If your group is running PCA "Extended Passing" you can pass anywhere on the track with a point. Draw a line down the middle of the track, anywhere, and each of you stay on your side. If the faster car doesn't want to take the pass, signal the slower car and don't take it. Simple.

gbuff

That's the stuff I live for, Peter, and in my car I've experienced just that (cars may vary but....) on many occasions. Give and get thumbs up!!

Berringer

perhaps we should stop staying PCA because this must be a regional thing. The message has never changed in my region in many many years. That is: lead car keeps line, passing imitation and completion in the straight, passer goes off line to make pass. Also, we’re not talking about extended passing groups we’re talking about OP level groups, Green and Blue.

dgrobs

Run group doesn’t make a difference. Unless it’s a very late pass in an extended passing group , which is what I run in, they want you giving the point in the direction of the upcoming corner. Don’t know too many PCA regions that do it otherwise. My $.02

joejenie

Best thing to do is do David Murry events where it is all advanced drivers and pass anywhere anytime and don't worry about point by's. Or just do races instead of HPDE. If you go to a HPDE, you have to know it will be slower and you need more patience. We all started out as beginners.

Berringer

Thanks for the lesson, I just gave you three regions by the way, per my example. Here’s your change..$.01.
Should probably be a different thread, but the topic is borderline whiny, so forget it. Arguing someone’s stated experience doesn’t make you right and them wrong.

winders

Yep.....I hate DEs because of the point by crap.

ExMB

The last advanced DE I ran was in conjunction with a clubrace. DE'ers in the advanced passing group were advised that they could pass anywhere on the track with a pointby but passing was on the LH side only regarless of which way the turn went: i.e.no arm extension pointing over the top of the car, straight arm only.

dgrobs

Wow never heard of that. All passing on the left? I guess that would be track dependent. I can think of plenty of corners at the tracks I run where I will neither give nor take a late pass on the left unless it was to avoid an impact. Again, a late pass. Late pass coming into the bus stop at WGI on they left? Late pass on the left coming into the Roller Coaster at VIR? Interesting. Might wanna try that someday. Would def make for some very interesting late passes.