Buying used 4 e-hybrid - what to look for?
03-16-2022, 09:29 PM
#46
I have to say that this thread was very enlightening! Thank you everyone for your input. I had always had a couple reservations about the complexity of PHEVs, but was curious to see if on the Porsche side they were still there. I had held off on buying an X5 PHEV last year for similar concerns....
Suffice to say I have not moved forward with an 4 e-hybrid - I have actually put a deposit down on a 2018 Panamera 4 instead! Test drove the Taycan but at the end of the day it's just too small for me with 2 kids. The Panamera feels just right!
Suffice to say I have not moved forward with an 4 e-hybrid - I have actually put a deposit down on a 2018 Panamera 4 instead! Test drove the Taycan but at the end of the day it's just too small for me with 2 kids. The Panamera feels just right!
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Dr. G7 (03-19-2022)
03-16-2022, 10:23 PM
#47
I have a 2012 S Hybrid that I custom ordered. Just crossed the 200,000 mile mark two weeks ago. My battery has been rock solid up until the last 18 months, and the issue is, the battery doesn't like hot weather. When the temperature outside is consistently around 90F, the battery will only run through a few cycles before giving up for the day. In cold weather, its great. Overall car has been great, rock solid. Only non-scheduled maintenance over 10 years and 200k miles - fuel pump and fuel level sender, catalytic converters, oil level sensor. All those repairs came at at 120k miles and over.
Don't trust "hyperbole" comments from people who don't own one of these hybrids.
Don't trust "hyperbole" comments from people who don't own one of these hybrids.
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03-19-2022, 01:14 PM
#48
Taycan = Lemon?
Maybe 2022 is better...but 2020 is dodgy.
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Dr. G7 (03-20-2022)
03-20-2022, 02:43 PM
#50
Taycan = Lemon?
03-20-2022, 02:51 PM
#51
Hi all!
As the title suggests, I'm currently looking at buying a used/cpo 4 e-hybrid (likely a 2018 or 2019). Is there anything special that one should be looking for with these cars? Battery issues, common problems, etc?
I gather the Panamera in general seems to be pretty reliable, but not sure how that floats over to the phev.
As the title suggests, I'm currently looking at buying a used/cpo 4 e-hybrid (likely a 2018 or 2019). Is there anything special that one should be looking for with these cars? Battery issues, common problems, etc?
I gather the Panamera in general seems to be pretty reliable, but not sure how that floats over to the phev.
a) 2021 Panamera 17.9kWh, with new energy deployment and regeneration strategies. Pre-2021 14.1kWh battery. Older technologies.
b) As mentioned elsewhere, battery (and electronic) problems plague Porsche.
This does not apply everyone; I live about three hours from the closest Porsche dealership. Any electrical gremlin (local indy can't manage,) I have to lose two days of work going back and forth. Not my cup of tea.
03-20-2022, 02:56 PM
#52
Hate to say it, vertically integrated Tesla has an advantage over companies like Porsche that outsources everything
(to the lowest bidder.)
In my Taycan, I cannot even use the wireless phone charger.
03-20-2022, 03:15 PM
#53
But isn't Bosch and Siemens among the best in the world? I am sure Porsche does not manufacture their own electronics.
Hate to say it, vertically integrated Tesla has an advantage over companies like Porsche that outsources everything
(to the lowest bidder.)
In my Taycan, I cannot even use the wireless phone charger.
Hate to say it, vertically integrated Tesla has an advantage over companies like Porsche that outsources everything
(to the lowest bidder.)
In my Taycan, I cannot even use the wireless phone charger.
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03-20-2022, 03:22 PM
#54
I do know VW has (had) a specialized division for emission controls.
03-20-2022, 03:27 PM
#55
03-20-2022, 03:39 PM
#56
03-20-2022, 04:42 PM
#57
June, 2012
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Panas...ia-a0294357958
"It will be the first time the Japanese electronics company has produced battery cells overseas for eco-friendly vehicles. Panasonic will supply the products for German auto giant Volkswagen AG for the time being, the sources said."
March, 2016
https://insideevs.com/news/328985/po...s-car-battery/
"We at InsideEVs believe that Panasonic will win this bid (considering the use of Sanyo/Panasonic cells already)"
March, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...hk-2022-03-03/
"A long-time supplier for Tesla, Panasonic has said it plans to begin mass-producing the new type of lithium-ion battery for Tesla before the end of March 2024 with two new production lines at its western Japanese plant in Wakayama."
03-20-2022, 07:01 PM
#58
On my British, Italian, Swedish cars, when a component fails it rarely reads Lucas or Delphi on the label, they usually are Bosch. Switches, injectors, computer modules, anything that draws power. I will say that Bosch Brake components are good. My Honda? 60k miles with just oil and air filters.
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03-20-2022, 07:25 PM
#59
Your assessment of Panasonic's impact in current technology sectors is a bit outdated...
June, 2012 https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Panas...ia-a0294357958
March, 2016 https://insideevs.com/news/328985/po...s-car-battery/
March, 2022 https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...hk-2022-03-03/
June, 2012 https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Panas...ia-a0294357958
March, 2016 https://insideevs.com/news/328985/po...s-car-battery/
March, 2022 https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...hk-2022-03-03/
"Panasonic plans new massive battery plant in U.S. to supply Tesla -NHK"
All of us can plan to do marvelous things.I yet maintain; Panasonic = dollar store AM radios
03-20-2022, 07:30 PM
#60
On my British, Italian, Swedish cars, when a component fails it rarely reads Lucas or Delphi on the label, they usually are Bosch. Switches, injectors, computer modules, anything that draws power. I will say that Bosch Brake components are good. My Honda? 60k miles with just oil and air filters.
Bosch was first in ABS. How? Bosch just bought the company (Teldix) that developed ABS.
Last edited by Dr. G7; 03-20-2022 at 07:31 PM.