Lfischl29

Hi all!

​​​​​​As the title suggests, I'm currently looking at buying a used/cpo 4 e-hybrid (likely a 2018 or 2019). Is there anything special that one should be looking for with these cars? Battery issues, common problems, etc?

I gather the Panamera in general seems to be pretty reliable, but not sure how that floats over to the phev.

amphicar770

As with all hybrids, The HV battery is the biggest risk factor. It gets even riskier when you factor in the insane prices Porsche charges for replacement.

The 2018-19 batteries are still under warranty so not a lot of reference points. The 2014-16 models are often seeing battery failure just outside of warranty. Those batteries are much smaller than the 2017+, being about the same size as a Prius battery. However, replacing the Prius battery is around $5k at the dealer. On the Porsche. You are looking at nearly $25k.

Unfortunately. Porsche seems to be treating its hybrids (and we will see about the EVs) as vehicles to be thrown away once warranty runs out.

Again, it is the previous generation, but this thread may give you pause ...
https://rennlist.com/forums/panamera/1284565-omg.html

skylolow

If your only keeping it for about 4 to 5 years not much to worry about. Now if your looking to hold on to it for 8 to 10 years that is another story.

Thinker

I had my CPO 2015 model replace it's batter last year only a couple of months after purchase. I would strongly recommend against buying it without at least the CPO warranty. Also, check the range when you buy it, make sure it is completely charged. When I bought mine, I was only getting about 5-7 miles on a full charge. If the battery goes really bad, you're not able to use the car on just gas.

jrcrmr

Jesus christ, I just read this after I got the contract to buy my CPO 2019 4 e-hybrid. It's CPO and i'm good for a few years...but does everyone have these awful problems with the battery? Has anyone's battery lasted more than a few years? I'm kind of worried with mine having 80k kms now...

Joegovette

I have a 2016 Panamera E-Hybrid. It has been in the shop for hybrid battery issues 3 times for about 8 months out of the last 12 months. They have replaced the hybrid battery which would have been around $35k. They replaced cooling for the hybrid battery and some box. They replaced the 12V battery as well. It is working fine for the time being, but I agree with the throw away statement previously. I have been very disappointed with my Porsche experience, and my Panamera will be sold soon.

Shrike071

After educating myself about the issues with the Porsche hybrids, I'd avoid them at all costs. Even if the battery is covered, they're problematic cars which is unacceptable at this price point.

amphicar770

The hv battery on my 2014 was replaced last year under warranty.

Unfortunately, the Porsche hybrid batteries do not seem to be giving the same 10+ year lifespan that you generally see from Toyota, Tesla, Chevy Volt and others. To make it worse, Porsche charges 5 times what other manufacturers do to replace that battery.

Mine has been largely trouble free, but I may look to move on before the CPO runs out. It's a shame that Porsche puts owners in such a bad spot.

AcousTech

Perhaps this is counterpoint, but I love my 2018. It is an E-hybrid. I bought it used. However, I did add a warranty to it, from Porsche, that covers the battery for about 10 years total. So until around 2028 I think. Anyway, I think the second generation of Hybrids are a different breed than the first, and would not necessarily assume they will have the same problems as the 970s did.

jrcrmr

that's what i'm hoping because it seems the vast majority of the people complaining are owners of the 970 and it seems 971s have much happier owners...here's hoping i'm one of them too

amphicar770

Batteries are covered 7 years from new. Too soon to tell and the 971 owners will not start really complaining until they are stuck with the bill. Are you feeling lucky!

If Porsche were charging about the same as it cost to replace equivalent size batteries (around $5-6k at dealer), most would likely consider it a cost of ownership once in a decade. The real problem is that they are hitting owners for $25k on a Prius size battery.

Zola3515

I have just bought a 2018 E hybrid ST, having after having owned a 2010 Macan S, a 2018 718 Boxster GTS, a 2017 991-2 Carrera, a 2014 981 Boxster and my first Porsche a 2012 987 Boxster. I loved the Boxsters, the 911 less, the Macan was good - but the Panamera is superb. I love the e-hybrid. It has had 2 previous owners and done 37,000 miles in 2.7 years. I was a little worried about how the battery was - but it charges to 27 miles overnight on level 1 and gives me about 25 miles around town. I enjoyed the Boxsters but gave them up for more comfort and ability to drive over rougher roads. I enjoyed the Macan but it is high as an SUV and after a Boxster I never felt comfortable driving in a manner that hat was second nature in the Boxster. I am still figuring out the Panamera - but very much enjoying it.

get a full charge on the battery before purchase and if is it is 25 miles go with it.

This is a true long-distance cruiser and very economical around town - just what I needed!

amphicar770

There is no question about them being great to drive. They absolutely are. The problem is the high battery failure rate just outside of warranty and that Porsche price for replacing those batteries is practically criminal extortion.

Thinker

Unfortunately I am planning on getting rid of my E-Hybrid as soon as the CPO warranty runs out. Too much risk to have something go wrong with it without a warranty.

amphicar770

I hear you. If I knew I might have to plan on $5k-6k after 7 years, on top of other likely Panamera issues like air shocks, I might still consider her a keeper. Planning for a $25k, Prius sized, battery replacement is absurd. I've owned British and Italian exotics and never once got hit with that sort of bill.