Originally Posted by zizu

There's other aspect I like about the GT350. We can argue all day long which one is faster on a track, but for the price, you can't have anything better than that. Not really fair to compare it to a GT3 that cost 3X more. Thing is, Porsche lost me when they decided to make it PDK only. They removed most of the fun factor, I don't care it's faster, it's still an automatic. And the GT4? Sorry, but it's not a special car. Like others said, parts bin car for still more money than a GT350.
Truth is, some here will never like it because it's a Ford.
I absolutely love mine. It's been a while since I had so much fun in the street. Since my 964, in fact.

Originally Posted by Waxer

1. Down force is easy to add or subtract.

Originally Posted by elp_jc

That's subjective man. Regualr Mustangs sound like crap to me. And I never liked the sound of flat-crank V8s, so a GT350 doesn't appeal to me in that department. And I have to say they manage to sound much worse than a Ferrari. My Cayman GTS (PSE standard) sounds way better than any Mustang, including GT350s IMO. Much more exotic and refined, even though it only revs to 7,800 rpm. But that's all a matter of taste, so highly subjective.


Ha ha. That's true, especially their staged crap. Their last iteration is the worst by far; both Leblanc and Evans are painful to hear and watch. Chris Harris I'd trust on performance differences, but at least to me, that's not what driving a performance car is all about. And THAT is the problem some folks here have. They don't understand it's not all about performance for some of us; it's about the DRIVING EXPERIENCE. Driving a Mustang couldn't be more mundane. When I sat on a GT350, it just felt cheap. Didn't even ask to drive it (not interested). I don't care if it has a 500 or 1,000HP engine; if it doesn't even feel right to me, I simply don't care how it performs. I traded a 2015 Lexus RC-F and 2015 GTR for a fully-optioned 2016 Cayman GTS, since I wasn't impressed with a cheaper GT4 (plus didn't want a track car). And couldn't be happier, even though it's immensely slower than the GTR (especially at my altitude), but much more fun to drive. Depends what you want.

Originally Posted by zizu

Sounds very close minded. He made a biased opinion before trying it. Again, because of the blue oval. Looks cheap? Oh well. I care more about the engine, gearbox and driving experience than its plastics. I can careless about full leather and deviating stiches or fragrance from the vent. Porsches used to be raw, pure, not luxurious, but now they catered to these people. That's what sell, and what's profitable.
For some people it's all show, and display what you can afford. Ego. Sorry but true.

Originally Posted by jimbo1111

Most of the R versions are 30 to 40k over sticker. Mustang interior quality is still a little lacking and it's quite heavy and not as tosable as a gt3. Not close to perfection by any stretch.

Originally Posted by stuntman

While I hate blanket statements, the advantage of downforce usually outweighs the losses of drag on most racetracks. The Boss 302R didn't win races until the installation of the (Steeda) Wing in the CTSCC series.

How much whp does your modified boss make? The GT350 puts down 475whp SAE.

How much does your boss weigh? The 350R weighs 3,665lbs with a full tank of gas.

The GT350R is capable of -1.5* of front camber -Fords recommended track setting. (Wider tires dont need as much camber). The IRS makes the car much more balanced and has higher cornering speeds than the Boss's solid rear axle, which requires more of a point-and-shoot line because it does not roll mid corner speeds as good as say an M3, but it's advantage is putting power down. Meanwhile the GT350 drives more like an M3 and has even higher cornering speeds - this comparison was all done on the same size/brand tires across all 3 cars.

The Boss does not have a trans cooler, the Laguna Seca had a scoop which is nowhere near as effective as a real cooler. Log your trans temps, you'll likely see high 200s -And unknowingly hurting the longevity of your synchros on even a 20-30min session.

What are your lap times at NJMP?

Originally Posted by DerStig

- You feel that a 7800 rpm flat six from a carrera sounds exotic
- You care more about the interior and the type of leather/plastic than the car's handling

There is no further point of discussing this I think with you, your car is the right choice for you.

Originally Posted by Para82

I just saw that - so according to him the GT4 sounds more exotic than the GT350 - LOL

Originally Posted by RealityGT

Question for owners..
I had hopes that I would get a '17 allocation and that didn't happen. (Dealer principle gave the last allocation to his buddy.. who now owns 2 x R's.. Grr )
I am seriously considering just ordering my own non R ( no problem here in Ontario) and had some questions regarding the 2017 models.
-Is the track pack standard on all ? ( I don't see any indication of this on the Ford.ca site)
-No option for the R aero package? ( I don't see any indication of this on the Ford.ca site)

Now I know they made changes to the '17 lineup to include these options (or at least I thought they had) but was hoping for some clarification from those who have purchased a '17 Non R GT350.

Much thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by shizzle

Track pack is standard on all 2017 350. Apparently there is no R aero package for the regular 350, but the track pack includes a more aggressive spoiler as standard.

I heard that the biggest porsche dealer here in Canada already has a list 70 cars long for the 991.2 gt3.

Originally Posted by Bossing

So much benchracing here especially from a few who don't even own nor regularly drive either or both types of cars... especially der usual suspect.