Orthojoe's GT4 track thread and ramblings
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Agreed, I feel like I burned them up off the bat due to ignorance. They really weren't a bad tire.
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Just to clarify: Is this 29 psi hot all around (no delta front to rear)? My replacement tires, currently sitting in my basement, are Dunlop take-offs, so I would prefer to nail it first time out.
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I usually aim for 28 or 29psi Front and 30 or 31psi rear (Hot) on the Dunlops. Rears are looking great - fronts not so much...
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Yes, my best results were 29/31 hot Front/Rear, and like 22/24 initial cold. A bit loose on the out lap until temps come up, haha.
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Thanks all. First track day of the season is this Friday. Putting Castrol SRF in this afternoon and will switch tires left to right.
R.e. Cup 2s: There are several threads (I've read through them all) but what's the latest and greatest thinking about tire pressures? It all seems to be a trade-off between center and edge wear.
R.e. Cup 2s: There are several threads (I've read through them all) but what's the latest and greatest thinking about tire pressures? It all seems to be a trade-off between center and edge wear.
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Thanks for sharing, guys. Macca, 0.3-0.4 is certainly is plausible, so thanks for that as well.
The alignment setup between my gt3 and gt4 are nearly identical with the exception of caster and sway bar settings. Based on what I'm
seeing, the front tire wear rate will be very similar. With the rear tire, the gt4 outer edge is nice and even vs the gt3 rear tire outer edge is prematurely worn. It will be tempting to continue using the rears after the front wears out, but heat cycling will be a concern.
In regards to the trofeo, my experience as been (on the gt3) that the front grip very well and last longer than the cup2, BUT keep an eye on the rear tires. For whatever reason they wear out MUCH faster than the cup2 and are gone way before the front are done (but the outer edge wear is even... Completely different wear pattern and behavior than cup2)
The alignment setup between my gt3 and gt4 are nearly identical with the exception of caster and sway bar settings. Based on what I'm
seeing, the front tire wear rate will be very similar. With the rear tire, the gt4 outer edge is nice and even vs the gt3 rear tire outer edge is prematurely worn. It will be tempting to continue using the rears after the front wears out, but heat cycling will be a concern.
In regards to the trofeo, my experience as been (on the gt3) that the front grip very well and last longer than the cup2, BUT keep an eye on the rear tires. For whatever reason they wear out MUCH faster than the cup2 and are gone way before the front are done (but the outer edge wear is even... Completely different wear pattern and behavior than cup2)
Joe,
Maybe you need a DSC with one programmed for the GT4, one programmed for the GT3. Help DSC develop this even further!
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Depends on the track but anything over 34 hot will have the tire getting greasy on you. I start warm days at TH at 26 cold and adjust from there, usually a pound higher on the left side. My thread has some outside/middle/inside temps from multiple sessions along with pressures.
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great question.
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Small updates since I don't have an opportunity to return to the track until 5/28.
1) Changed the original oil after 2 track days. Switched to 5w-50 since it's factory approved, has worked fine on my 987 spyder and 991 GT3, and it doesn't get cold enough here to need 0w-40.
![](http://s6.postimg.org/h3i43k1s1/IMG_7394.jpg)
2) This car doesn't burn oil like the 991 GT3 does
3) Swapped brake fluid to RBF600.
![](http://s6.postimg.org/6upmxqdq9/IMG_7420.jpg)
4) Swapped OEM brake pads to project mu club racer pads
![](http://s6.postimg.org/j6sjb81kx/IMG_7313.jpg)
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Immediately I can notice the brake pedal is firmer and the travel is shorter. I'm going to guess that these pads will work better than OEM, but last no longer than OEM. These pads have been known to crumble. I'll find out after doing 4 track days 4 weeks in a row starting 5/28. 2 of those days will be at laguna, so the brakes will be punished more.
5) An issue with the Tarett front tie rods. On full lock, one of the adjustment nuts will hit the upright. Not an ideal design or situation. I talked to my shop and Tarett about it, and they both think it is ok to leave alone. Otherwise, you'll have to add a spacer and that will affect bump steer....
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1) Changed the original oil after 2 track days. Switched to 5w-50 since it's factory approved, has worked fine on my 987 spyder and 991 GT3, and it doesn't get cold enough here to need 0w-40.
![](http://s6.postimg.org/h3i43k1s1/IMG_7394.jpg)
2) This car doesn't burn oil like the 991 GT3 does
3) Swapped brake fluid to RBF600.
![](http://s6.postimg.org/6upmxqdq9/IMG_7420.jpg)
4) Swapped OEM brake pads to project mu club racer pads
![](http://s6.postimg.org/j6sjb81kx/IMG_7313.jpg)
![](http://s6.postimg.org/la2yiw1dt/IMG_7316.jpg)
Immediately I can notice the brake pedal is firmer and the travel is shorter. I'm going to guess that these pads will work better than OEM, but last no longer than OEM. These pads have been known to crumble. I'll find out after doing 4 track days 4 weeks in a row starting 5/28. 2 of those days will be at laguna, so the brakes will be punished more.
5) An issue with the Tarett front tie rods. On full lock, one of the adjustment nuts will hit the upright. Not an ideal design or situation. I talked to my shop and Tarett about it, and they both think it is ok to leave alone. Otherwise, you'll have to add a spacer and that will affect bump steer....
![](http://s6.postimg.org/4rf7q2dxd/IMG_7422.jpg)
![](http://s6.postimg.org/hk3bpzpj5/IMG_7427.jpg)
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Hi Joe, I had a couple questions about your rear toe links while I wait for my car.
1. (this might be obvious) It looks like the rear toe link attaches directly to the wheel carrier (is that what it's called?), so would I be correct in saying that interference between the toe link end and a 19 inch wheel should NOT be camber dependent, because they move together with different camber settings?
2. Do you think there is any more room with the Tarett link? It looks slightly rounder and lower profile. 1 mm would be important to me, since I'm OCD about offsets.
Thanks!
(keep us posted about the front tie-rods too!)
1. (this might be obvious) It looks like the rear toe link attaches directly to the wheel carrier (is that what it's called?), so would I be correct in saying that interference between the toe link end and a 19 inch wheel should NOT be camber dependent, because they move together with different camber settings?
2. Do you think there is any more room with the Tarett link? It looks slightly rounder and lower profile. 1 mm would be important to me, since I'm OCD about offsets.
Thanks!
(keep us posted about the front tie-rods too!)
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Hi Joe, I had a couple questions about your rear toe links while I wait for my car.
1. (this might be obvious) It looks like the rear toe link attaches directly to the wheel carrier (is that what it's called?), so would I be correct in saying that interference between the toe link end and a 19 inch wheel should NOT be camber dependent, because they move together with different camber settings?
2. Do you think there is any more room with the Tarett link? It looks slightly rounder and lower profile. 1 mm would be important to me, since I'm OCD about offsets.
Thanks!
(keep us posted about the front tie-rods too!)
1. (this might be obvious) It looks like the rear toe link attaches directly to the wheel carrier (is that what it's called?), so would I be correct in saying that interference between the toe link end and a 19 inch wheel should NOT be camber dependent, because they move together with different camber settings?
2. Do you think there is any more room with the Tarett link? It looks slightly rounder and lower profile. 1 mm would be important to me, since I'm OCD about offsets.
Thanks!
(keep us posted about the front tie-rods too!)
Unfortunately, I don't know. I wasn't the one doing the link install and alignment, so I can't say. Maybe someone else can chime in?
The tarett link still looks pretty close to the wheel. I'm not sure how close it will look on 19" whels
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