hellboy_mcqueen

Thx - Still under the influence of my 987 Boxster

TurboDogue

Thank you for both 1) not assuming i was being critical and just wanted more info and 2) for the clarification.

Much appreciated!!

Maverick1

Can you guys imagine just how quick a GT4 would be if it had the 991GT3 engine and PDK+S.
Would probably outperform a 991GT3, with it's better balance, and being lighter and more nimble.
Not that I'd be interested, I'm a manual guy all the way, but I would like that engine for sure.

ChrisF

It's what I've been dreaming of since 2005.

hf1

That's what I thought before I got my 6gt3 couple of years ago. Mid-engine has its advantages but now I'm not so sure that it's superior in all instances and situations especially in terms of balance while braking into turns and early throttle application out of them. A well set up and well driven 911 is still a force to be reckoned with.

DeerHunter

I don't think anyone is disputing that a 911 isn't an extremely capable car. After all, it's a product of decades of lavish development. However, if you're designing a clean-sheet sports car or dedicated track car, you start with either a MR or FR layout because, you know, physics. The 911 is a great sports/track car despite the rear engine, not because of it. Yes, it has two aces up its sleeve with respect to braking and putting the power down efficiently, but the weight distribution is a liability in all transient maneuvers.

Imagine how great Porsche's MR platform would be if they had sidelined the 911 in the late '60s and all those development dollars went into the 914 instead.

tcsracing1

the only weak point of the Cayman in relation to the 991 is the rear suspension... everything else is excelent.

hf1

I understand, but when all is said and done, a Cayman of equal weight, engine, gearing, suspension, and tires as a 911 will not be a hands down winner on every track -- far from it. Turns are much more prevalent than quick transition segments on tracks, plus the 911's advantages into (out-braking) and out of turns (exit speed) is very helpful for passes when racing (instead of comparing clean lap-times). I don't think it's only marketing and pure nostalgia that's maintained the 911 as the dominant Porsche GT racing platform all these years.

asamhall

So I assume the best bet is rennsport for the announcement.

2slow2speed

Something else to keep in mind is that the rear strut suspension on the 98X generation vehicles is compromised compared to the multilink suspension on the 99X generation vehicles. So the transients that you allude to can also be a liability on the 98X platform cars as well.

As long as Porsche decides to stay with the Boxer engine configuration I can't see how they will be able to put a double wishbone or multi-link rear suspension configuration on their MR cars.

2slow2speed

OOps ninja'd

2slow2speed

+1

Crazy Eddie

Or the 944 Turbo S ... 968's were very capable cars
Stock to stock 944TS vs a 911 Turbo ... I hunted them down back in the day ( that was before the Turbo mods etc that are avail now for the 951's ...
That 951 was treated like an orphan child ! Given no respect etc...
Speaking of Rennsport is anyone going on here ?

GrantG

A 911 makes no sense on paper, but if you own one long enough to know it intimately (driven at limit extensively), it reveals itself to have subjective charms that are hard to describe or justify objectively.

vantage

Seems to be more about trunk space and cost, no? Upper links would be to the rear and above the engine.