orthojoe

LOL!

Schmidts Cat

I agree joe. It's fun to try and chase down "faster" cars...

Marine Blue

Seems to me the perfect combo would be the Spyder for weekend fun/open top driving and a GT4 for track crack and developing your skills on the track.

orthojoe

You're making too much sense, afshin. Will wait for a sunny warm day and take the car out a bunch of times before I decide.

bldn10

Say you want the hottest new Porsche w/ M/T, I did a little playing w/ the configurator and offer the following:

Model power/weight hp 0-60 top speed base MSRP

GT4 .130 380 4.2 183 $85,595

Carrera S .099 400 4.3 188 $99,895

Carrera GTS .105 430 4.2 190 $115,195

It is possible that the GT4 will out handle both 911s so the GT4 may be the quickest of all on the track. Being that it may well be the fastest M/T new Porsche, what effect will that have on residual value? Can an argument not be made that they should sell close to 997.2 GT3s?

Where I'm going is that if I can get one of these and play w/ it for a few years and get most of my money back, it starts to look attractive.

sunnyr

I wouldn't try to use logic to figure out future value. Look at .1 RS price difference between green and black or silver. Same car, silver is even rarer, but green is good 40k more, if not even more. Being a GT, the GT4 will probably depreciate less than other Porsches... that is good enough for me.

Marine Blue

What's interesting is the power to weight ratio and the 0-60 times. How is it that the GTS with lower power to weight ratio can accelerate as quickly. Is the traction that much better? Add the fact that the 385 Hp is likely not correct and it's closer to 400 Hp that the engine will be putting out and it's hard to believe any of the numbers that Porsche has put out there.

My impression.......Porsche finally stopped holding back on the Cayman as far as the hardware but they are still holding back on the marketing. I won't speculate any further but I believe that when the GT4 gets in the hands of magazines the results will be much better than expected.

tcsracing1

The GT4 is the porsche you are not afraid to beat on at the track. Resale value should not be on your mind with this car. What ever is left over when you are done with it is what it is, and that is if you havent kissed the tire wall a few times....
Half cages are where you want to be in these cars at a minimum.
If you can get your hands on the full cage from PMS then drive at 10/10ths and dont look back...
Great D.E training car or open lapping car for the weekend warrior.

These cars with tuning and stripped interior will be little monsters at the track.
Running down 997GT3s....

These are good times.

steve0827

I agree with you. While it might be wishful thinking, in the EVO video I believe they said "385-ish horsepower"....sounds like a conservative number to me

bldn10

" Resale value should not be on your mind with this car."

What I mean is, I am not in the market for a new car, I have a 987.1 w/ X-51 3.8 that may be as fast as a GT4. But if I can own a fabulous car for a few years for little depreciation cost, heck, why not?

I think back a few years ago when my brother and I went to Barrett Jackson and watched Ford GTs (the GT40 "replica") sell for <$140,000. Now they are $500,000! Not to mention the fun of owning one.

Z356

I don't see any correlation between the just announced GT4 and a Ford GT. The latter was a limited edition for only two model years ('05 & '06) that ended up with 4,038 examples being built. The GT4 is a regular production model (not a numbered 'Limited Edition') which should be built for the balance of the 981 model years (including .2 facelift in MY2017) & its foreseeable replacement (e.g. 982, etc).

I expect the GT4 to depreciate. How much depends on too many factors to list. But don't count on 'But if I can own a fabulous car for a few years for little depreciation cost, heck, why not?' because you will be disappointed!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

sunnyr

Eduardo, care to guess what will power a 981.2 GT4? Since the current engine donor (991S) will move to a turbo.

arena-RTR

This is exactly why I'm so hot on this car. Granted, I agree with others that resale value should NEVER be a consideration when purchasing a brand new automobile, but there are exceptions to every rule: Look at Boxster Spyder owners: That car was $70k in 2011, and look to be worth $40-$50k with miles on them even now in the dead of winter. Show me another new vehicle in that price range that has held 65% of it's value after 4.5 years... That's $460 a month to drive one of the coolest cars on the market fully under warranty.

shaytun

If they make a GT4 .2 then I'd expect significant depreciation just like a normal Porsche. I haven't looked but how does the depreciation of a 997.1 GT3 compare to a 997.2 version. Either way this is not an apples to apples comparison.

rohitgarewal

I just don't see the logic of looking at any car as an investment (unless it's already a collectors car), or to try and guess depreciation values for new vehicles other than historical averages.

Porsches, in my opinion, are the greatest sports car the mass public can buy right now, but their older versions are experiencing a bubble in pricing. Top 1% hobbyists have excess capital due to a bull stock market and amazing amounts of liquidity being pumped in by the Fed - When the current asset bubble bursts, and it will, cool looking cars from the 80's and 90's that were mass produced, have inferior engines and are missing creature comforts compared to today will plummet even faster.

If you're fortunate enough to afford a 100k track car, like many here are, buy it thinking you're going to take a massive hit in value and enjoy every minute of it. If you think you're going to have the next gt3rs4.0, there's a strong probability you will be disappointed - then you're not only sad you made a bad investment but you never got to enjoy an amazing piece of technology because you were too scared to put miles on it - lose / lose.

Of course, I could be wrong and you could make a ton of money on the thing...but most likely I'm right ;-)

I apologize for typos, on my mobile waiting at the airport ☺