718 GT4?
09-11-2018, 12:56 PM
#3241
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No, but if you infer from the 911T it will have the 2.0 motor with lower gearing, LWB optional, lightweight glass, PTV, and SPASM included, some distinctive interior and exterior optics, and cost 10% more than base.
09-11-2018, 01:54 PM
#3242
On a 911, the X51 package is about $17k if I remember right.
I suspect the next GT4 will be at least $10k more and probably $15k more than the 981 version as far as base price goes.
I guess we will know in a year or so. . .
I suspect the next GT4 will be at least $10k more and probably $15k more than the 981 version as far as base price goes.
I guess we will know in a year or so. . .
09-11-2018, 02:07 PM
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Yes, as a standalone. But reinforcing the fact it didn't cost anywhere near that to produce, the entire 991 GTS package was 17k more than 991 S (115 vs 98 for C2, iirc), and that included a lot of other normally pricey goodies, starting with wide-body and centerlocks. Meaning, I suppose, that they could have offered an otherwise identical 981.1 GT4 Speciale or something with the X51 and priced it at 10k if they'd wanted to, or probably 8k more. Or they could have priced it 25k more; Porsche OEM pricing is demand based, once the Cost of Goods Sold has been surpassed. It can never go below CGS, but can go infinitely higher based on demand. 
09-11-2018, 04:20 PM
#3244
What’s the latest information regarding public release? Geneva 2019?
09-11-2018, 04:42 PM
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i think Clubsports are being delivered to the race teams at the ROAR at Daytona in January. So at least you’ll get some specs at that point if it’s not unveiled earlier. Someone correct me if I’m wrong please.
09-11-2018, 04:44 PM
#3247
Drifting
I don't think you are correct about it going up even with a very pricey 718. You are postulating that an unaffordable or unreachable 718GT4 will drive prices upwards on 981 GT4. Yet, right now, today, there is an unaffordable/unreachable 718 GT4, and 981 GT4 prices are what they are. In other words, the basis of your claim is that suddenly the 718 will not be within reach of a bunch of people, so they will all start fighting over 981s, whose supply is limited, so the increased demand will put upward pressure on 981 pricing. But like I said, we have that exact situation today: no affordable 718 GT4 alternative to the 981, so those upward market forces are in fact already in play. Anybody wanting a GT4 is in the 981 buyer pool. Waiting 18-24 months for a 718 to be launched, and then however many more months till they as individuals can get one? That's so far out that I'd posit they're not actual GT4 buyers at this time.
The effect a super pricey 718 would have is not to drive 981 prices above current levels, but merely to prop them up and keep them from falling as fast. Which I believe will be the case, and what I was writing about above. Whether a 718 is 10k more MSRP or 40k more, MSRP still will be at least 20k more than the common transaction price for a used 981, and if you add 10k ADM the gap is even greater. Which will serve to keep 981 pricing healthy and eventually to start it back up. But not during the first year of 718s being out there.
The effect a super pricey 718 would have is not to drive 981 prices above current levels, but merely to prop them up and keep them from falling as fast. Which I believe will be the case, and what I was writing about above. Whether a 718 is 10k more MSRP or 40k more, MSRP still will be at least 20k more than the common transaction price for a used 981, and if you add 10k ADM the gap is even greater. Which will serve to keep 981 pricing healthy and eventually to start it back up. But not during the first year of 718s being out there.
09-11-2018, 05:38 PM
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That's not really what I mean. I feel that the two cars will be close enough in desirability that the same person would buy either, depending on price. They'd pay more for the newer car obviously (at least most likely would, some might prefer the older car, who knows) and the car that they choose will be dictated by the price delta. Below $X delta they're buying the new car but above it, they see better value in the older car. Add a typical price increase and then an ADM and maybe the actual real price of the new car might make the older car look like a bargain, increasing its demand and price - who knows how it will play out but I was willing to pay the (still normal) ~20% premium to list for a 1000mile pristine creampuff car spec'd exactly how I would have spec'd it in the spring here....I don't think GT4 values are going anywhere up here in Canada - maybe up, but not down. The only thing I can say with certainty is that there are a ton of potential buyers just sitting on their hands waiting for visibility on the new car, and that's hurting current car pricing.
09-11-2018, 06:41 PM
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Can someone clarify nomenclature?
We have the 981 GT4 from 2016 (and 2015 but all are considered 2016 981 GT4).
Is the next GT4 a 718 GT4 or 981.2 GT4?
There are references to both. How can it be a 981.2 when the 981 is history and Porsche has moved ahead to the replacement 718 model?
I’m confused.
The GT3 after the 997.2 was a 991.1. There were two legit 997 GT3s - a .1 and . 2
Wouldn’t the next GT4 be a 718.1 GT4 based on the new platform?
We have the 981 GT4 from 2016 (and 2015 but all are considered 2016 981 GT4).
Is the next GT4 a 718 GT4 or 981.2 GT4?
There are references to both. How can it be a 981.2 when the 981 is history and Porsche has moved ahead to the replacement 718 model?
I’m confused.
The GT3 after the 997.2 was a 991.1. There were two legit 997 GT3s - a .1 and . 2
Wouldn’t the next GT4 be a 718.1 GT4 based on the new platform?
09-11-2018, 06:43 PM
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718 is a marketing name (like 911). 981 (like 991) is the Porsche internal chassis number. Some say the current generation of the Cayman is known as 982, rather than 981.2. I haven't paid close enough attention...
09-11-2018, 07:12 PM
#3253
The internal Porsche model designation for the 718 Boxster and Cayman is 982. The '718' is part of the name - just to make it confusing.
The new GT4 will be a 982 if and when they make it. Could also be called a 718 although it's really not like the other 718's. I would bet it has 'Cayman GT4' on the rear, just like the current version. I doubt it will be labeled '781 Cayman GT4', but you never know with those Germans!
The new GT4 will be a 982 if and when they make it. Could also be called a 718 although it's really not like the other 718's. I would bet it has 'Cayman GT4' on the rear, just like the current version. I doubt it will be labeled '781 Cayman GT4', but you never know with those Germans!
09-11-2018, 07:36 PM
#3254
According to Porsche the 718 has the type number 982 and that's what I'd go with. Shouldn't matter what others think it should be called. Each generation of Porsche vehicles are such evolutionary steps anyway that arguing over if it's 981.2 or 982, 991.3 or 992 is utterly pointless.
09-11-2018, 07:41 PM
#3255
Can someone clarify nomenclature?
We have the 981 GT4 from 2016 (and 2015 but all are considered 2016 981 GT4).
Is the next GT4 a 718 GT4 or 981.2 GT4?
There are references to both. How can it be a 981.2 when the 981 is history and Porsche has moved ahead to the replacement 718 model?
I’m confused.
The GT3 after the 997.2 was a 991.1. There were two legit 997 GT3s - a .1 and . 2
Wouldn’t the next GT4 be a 718.1 GT4 based on the new platform?
We have the 981 GT4 from 2016 (and 2015 but all are considered 2016 981 GT4).
Is the next GT4 a 718 GT4 or 981.2 GT4?
There are references to both. How can it be a 981.2 when the 981 is history and Porsche has moved ahead to the replacement 718 model?
I’m confused.
The GT3 after the 997.2 was a 991.1. There were two legit 997 GT3s - a .1 and . 2
Wouldn’t the next GT4 be a 718.1 GT4 based on the new platform?