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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sigar
But nothing announced, right? I thought I might have missed an announcement or PAG confirmation.
No, but if you infer from the 911T it will have the 2.0 motor with lower gearing, LWB optional, lightweight glass, PTV, and SPASM included, some distinctive interior and exterior optics, and cost 10% more than base.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 01:54 PM
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On a 911, the X51 package is about $17k if I remember right.
I suspect the next GT4 will be at least $10k more and probably $15k more than the 981 version as far as base price goes.
I guess we will know in a year or so. . .
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.Bill
On a 911, the X51 package is about $17k if I remember right.
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Yes, as a standalone. But reinforcing the fact it didn't cost anywhere near that to produce, the entire 991 GTS package was 17k more than 991 S (115 vs 98 for C2, iirc), and that included a lot of other normally pricey goodies, starting with wide-body and centerlocks. Meaning, I suppose, that they could have offered an otherwise identical 981.1 GT4 Speciale or something with the X51 and priced it at 10k if they'd wanted to, or probably 8k more. Or they could have priced it 25k more; Porsche OEM pricing is demand based, once the Cost of Goods Sold has been surpassed. It can never go below CGS, but can go infinitely higher based on demand.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 04:20 PM
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What’s the latest information regarding public release? Geneva 2019?
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
What’s the latest information regarding public release? Geneva 2019?
i think Clubsports are being delivered to the race teams at the ROAR at Daytona in January. So at least you’ll get some specs at that point if it’s not unveiled earlier. Someone correct me if I’m wrong please.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 04:44 PM
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Perhaps LA show? What's coming out in Paris? 992?
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NoGaBiker
I don't think you are correct about it going up even with a very pricey 718. You are postulating that an unaffordable or unreachable 718GT4 will drive prices upwards on 981 GT4. Yet, right now, today, there is an unaffordable/unreachable 718 GT4, and 981 GT4 prices are what they are. In other words, the basis of your claim is that suddenly the 718 will not be within reach of a bunch of people, so they will all start fighting over 981s, whose supply is limited, so the increased demand will put upward pressure on 981 pricing. But like I said, we have that exact situation today: no affordable 718 GT4 alternative to the 981, so those upward market forces are in fact already in play. Anybody wanting a GT4 is in the 981 buyer pool. Waiting 18-24 months for a 718 to be launched, and then however many more months till they as individuals can get one? That's so far out that I'd posit they're not actual GT4 buyers at this time.

The effect a super pricey 718 would have is not to drive 981 prices above current levels, but merely to prop them up and keep them from falling as fast. Which I believe will be the case, and what I was writing about above. Whether a 718 is 10k more MSRP or 40k more, MSRP still will be at least 20k more than the common transaction price for a used 981, and if you add 10k ADM the gap is even greater. Which will serve to keep 981 pricing healthy and eventually to start it back up. But not during the first year of 718s being out there.
That's not really what I mean. I feel that the two cars will be close enough in desirability that the same person would buy either, depending on price. They'd pay more for the newer car obviously (at least most likely would, some might prefer the older car, who knows) and the car that they choose will be dictated by the price delta. Below $X delta they're buying the new car but above it, they see better value in the older car. Add a typical price increase and then an ADM and maybe the actual real price of the new car might make the older car look like a bargain, increasing its demand and price - who knows how it will play out but I was willing to pay the (still normal) ~20% premium to list for a 1000mile pristine creampuff car spec'd exactly how I would have spec'd it in the spring here....I don't think GT4 values are going anywhere up here in Canada - maybe up, but not down. The only thing I can say with certainty is that there are a ton of potential buyers just sitting on their hands waiting for visibility on the new car, and that's hurting current car pricing.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BioBanker
That's not really what I mean. I feel that the two cars will be close enough in desirability that the same person would buy either, depending on price. They'd pay more for the newer car obviously (at least most likely would, some might prefer the older car, who knows) and the car that they choose will be dictated by the price delta. Below $X delta they're buying the new car but above it, they see better value in the older car. Add a typical price increase and then an ADM and maybe the actual real price of the new car might make the older car look like a bargain, increasing its demand and price - who knows how it will play out but I was willing to pay the (still normal) ~20% premium to list for a 1000mile pristine creampuff car spec'd exactly how I would have spec'd it in the spring here....I don't think GT4 values are going anywhere up here in Canada - maybe up, but not down. The only thing I can say with certainty is that there are a ton of potential buyers just sitting on their hands waiting for visibility on the new car, and that's hurting current car pricing.
I think we're on the same page as far as underlying market forces go, and that a hugely more expensive 718 will have a "positive effect" on 981 prices. I just believe that positive effect will be "less downward movement" and you believe it will mean "actual upward movement from today's prices." That would still surprise me if it happened, but it would be nice I suppose.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 06:09 PM
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Paris show - Euro debut of new Macan / production 991.2 Speedster ?
LA show - 992.
Geneva - 2019 GT4 and Spyder ?
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 06:41 PM
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Can someone clarify nomenclature?
We have the 981 GT4 from 2016 (and 2015 but all are considered 2016 981 GT4).

Is the next GT4 a 718 GT4 or 981.2 GT4?

There are references to both. How can it be a 981.2 when the 981 is history and Porsche has moved ahead to the replacement 718 model?

I’m confused.

The GT3 after the 997.2 was a 991.1. There were two legit 997 GT3s - a .1 and . 2
Wouldn’t the next GT4 be a 718.1 GT4 based on the new platform?
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 06:43 PM
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718 is a marketing name (like 911). 981 (like 991) is the Porsche internal chassis number. Some say the current generation of the Cayman is known as 982, rather than 981.2. I haven't paid close enough attention...
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 06:45 PM
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Maybe that's it!!!! Maybe there's two cars being tested, a NA 981.2 6speed and a 4cyl turbo PDK 718!!!!



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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 07:12 PM
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The internal Porsche model designation for the 718 Boxster and Cayman is 982. The '718' is part of the name - just to make it confusing.

The new GT4 will be a 982 if and when they make it. Could also be called a 718 although it's really not like the other 718's. I would bet it has 'Cayman GT4' on the rear, just like the current version. I doubt it will be labeled '781 Cayman GT4', but you never know with those Germans!
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
718 is a marketing name (like 911). 981 (like 991) is the Porsche internal chassis number. Some say the current generation of the Cayman is known as 982, rather than 981.2. I haven't paid close enough attention...
According to Porsche the 718 has the type number 982 and that's what I'd go with. Shouldn't matter what others think it should be called. Each generation of Porsche vehicles are such evolutionary steps anyway that arguing over if it's 981.2 or 982, 991.3 or 992 is utterly pointless.
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Old Sep 11, 2018 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by needmoregarage
Can someone clarify nomenclature?
We have the 981 GT4 from 2016 (and 2015 but all are considered 2016 981 GT4).

Is the next GT4 a 718 GT4 or 981.2 GT4?

There are references to both. How can it be a 981.2 when the 981 is history and Porsche has moved ahead to the replacement 718 model?

I’m confused.

The GT3 after the 997.2 was a 991.1. There were two legit 997 GT3s - a .1 and . 2
Wouldn’t the next GT4 be a 718.1 GT4 based on the new platform?
All 981 GT4s are model year 2016 regardless of build month/year, they are all "G" code. 718s are internally 982s. Interestingly the promotional gift magnetic globe/ toy car for the 718 had a label clearly stating "982 Cayman". I thought that was funny.
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