scca stock class becoming street class!
10-18-2013, 06:03 PM
#181
Burning Brakes
the 06-08 Cayman S was already somewhat close in AS, the problems with the ECU and race tires go mostly away, the camber limitations are less of an issue and it won't have much of a problem putting down power. So no, I don't think that is a doomed car either. I don't have any seat time in an AS Boxster S but I imagine it would be quite similar. Since you are from that part of the country, I do recall people saying a 350z would never do well in STR as well...yes course dependency comes into play but you won't know until it is tried by someone with talent.
10-18-2013, 10:28 PM
#182
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the 06-08 Cayman S was already somewhat close in AS, the problems with the ECU and race tires go mostly away, the camber limitations are less of an issue and it won't have much of a problem putting down power. So no, I don't think that is a doomed car either. I don't have any seat time in an AS Boxster S but I imagine it would be quite similar. Since you are from that part of the country, I do recall people saying a 350z would never do well in STR as well...yes course dependency comes into play but you won't know until it is tried by someone with talent.
And Yes, it's my intention to get Brian Peters to drive my car at a local event over the next few months, so I can get a handle on its true potential...
10-19-2013, 05:21 PM
#183
I really hope you're right and I'm wrong, though.
10-19-2013, 05:38 PM
#184
Burning Brakes
Look at it from the other perspective as well, which car brings numbers? Yes you can argue the classing angle, but it is what it is and it can't help but be noticed especially when a car does not bring numbers. A classic example of this was the CS Boxster.
10-19-2013, 10:02 PM
#185
No argument there -- I can't think of a single instance of Porsches making up the bulk of a class, even when the Porsches in question were both affordable and competitive. There's some doubt about whether Corvette people will come out in numbers on street tires, but the Porsche people have already demonstrated that they won't.
That being the case, I think it's fine for the club if the Z06 owns A Street, although it would make me sad personally since I want a Cayman S. More worrisome in my opinion is B Street, which could be poised for an S2000 renaissance, but only if the base C5 doesn't prove to be an overdog.
That being the case, I think it's fine for the club if the Z06 owns A Street, although it would make me sad personally since I want a Cayman S. More worrisome in my opinion is B Street, which could be poised for an S2000 renaissance, but only if the base C5 doesn't prove to be an overdog.
10-20-2013, 11:43 AM
#187
Three Wheelin'
Cars continue to improve....if I keep my 964 long enough, one day it will be in HS
10-20-2013, 07:15 PM
#188
Drifting
10-20-2013, 08:41 PM
#189
If you look at the car's attributes, it's heavier than an S2000, less rigid, and has worse suspension geometry, all of which makes for a bad start. On the flip side, it's not *much* heavier than the S2000, it's a hair narrower, and it's torquier.
I'd hazard a guess and say it would be an interesting (if expensive) experiment and would probably be good enough to win locally if well driven. If you've already got the car and like the idea, why not give it a shot?
10-21-2013, 08:28 AM
#191
Suspension - Springs, shocks, camber plates, sway bars, bushings.
Engine - Intake, header, exhaust, ECU.
Weight - Light seats, battery.
Wheels & Tires - 9" wide max, 255 width max 140tw tires.
There's more and it obviously gets a little better spelled out in the rules, but that's the big stuff.
10-21-2013, 09:21 AM
#192
No argument there -- I can't think of a single instance of Porsches making up the bulk of a class, even when the Porsches in question were both affordable and competitive. There's some doubt about whether Corvette people will come out in numbers on street tires, but the Porsche people have already demonstrated that they won't.
10-21-2013, 10:02 AM
#193
Burning Brakes
There has been the 986 non S boxster in CS for years including Road Tire years. If that's not affordable, I don't know what is. Speculating on what you think is going to be competitive in Street class is another matter, I know what I think.
10-21-2013, 10:43 AM
#194
Racer
Very generally:
Suspension - Springs, shocks, camber plates, sway bars, bushings.
Engine - Intake, header, exhaust, ECU.
Weight - Light seats, battery.
Wheels & Tires - 9" wide max, 255 width max 140tw tires.
There's more and it obviously gets a little better spelled out in the rules, but that's the big stuff.
Suspension - Springs, shocks, camber plates, sway bars, bushings.
Engine - Intake, header, exhaust, ECU.
Weight - Light seats, battery.
Wheels & Tires - 9" wide max, 255 width max 140tw tires.
There's more and it obviously gets a little better spelled out in the rules, but that's the big stuff.
10-21-2013, 01:47 PM
#195
Super Street -- 996 GT3 and 997 GT3, Cayman R / Boxster Spyder?
A Street -- Cayman S / Boxster S?
B Street -- 986 Boxster S?, base Cayman / Boxster?
C Street -- 968
E Street -- 944's a dark horse
In addition, as Tom pointed out, there have been many occasions in the past when Porsches have been *very* competitive or even outright overdogs yet relatively few came out. The 996 GT3 in Super Stock and the Cayman S in the first years of A Stock come to mind.
Fun facts: When Gary Thomason won SS at Nationals in 2008, there were only five people driving Porsches in the 57 driver class. When Ian Stewart won SS at Nationals in 2007, there were only nine people driving Porsches in the 67 (!) driver class. If we go back to when Andy McKee won AS at Nationals in 2001, eleven people out of 40 were driving Porsches, which is better, but still not enough to support a class.