The 997 GT3/RS Cars For Sale Thread...
#8881
Rennlist Member
I've been following the markets for high end 991.2 Carreras and Turbo cars. The are CERTAINLY, averaging 15+% for Carrera S and GTS, and 25+% for Turbo S cars, and not the higher priced dealer cars. A dealer was asking $299,000 on Rennlist, for a new 992 Turbo S!
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pissedpuppy (07-02-2021)
#8882
Nordschleife Master
Didn't you utilize Doug for at least one of these purchases?
I've had a PPI save me from a mega turd that I even had my friend lay eyes on in person, so I like them to know what I'm getting into (especially when were talking multi 6 figure deals)...
I get that everyone is on the whole "bRo CaSh In HaNd BuY nOw Or MiSs tHe BoAt FoReVeR" kick, but markets ebb and flow and while I like the 997 ERA GT Cars I'm not going to pretend that it will bring me eternal happiness and I should therefore act irrationally.
I've had a PPI save me from a mega turd that I even had my friend lay eyes on in person, so I like them to know what I'm getting into (especially when were talking multi 6 figure deals)...
I get that everyone is on the whole "bRo CaSh In HaNd BuY nOw Or MiSs tHe BoAt FoReVeR" kick, but markets ebb and flow and while I like the 997 ERA GT Cars I'm not going to pretend that it will bring me eternal happiness and I should therefore act irrationally.
#8883
Im in the same boat. Ultimately it’s someone’s job out there to keep bringing vehicles and therefore work to their companies. I get that. Was just tracking this vehicle for the group. That being said I have the one at Blair in Nebraska on hold for me right now. Can I get some guidance on the pros/cons on this vehicle from the group please?
https://www.countryautoblair.com/inv...che/911/p2158/
The cons I see:
No manual/service records(although they are on carfax)
One key
Various owners
Pros:
seemingly rare-ish spec
FVD exhaust
nose lift actually still works really well (good thing too because the bottom spoiler is painted from factory)
lowish miles
clean dme with only range 1 and a long time ago
https://www.countryautoblair.com/inv...che/911/p2158/
The cons I see:
No manual/service records(although they are on carfax)
One key
Various owners
Pros:
seemingly rare-ish spec
FVD exhaust
nose lift actually still works really well (good thing too because the bottom spoiler is painted from factory)
lowish miles
clean dme with only range 1 and a long time ago
Nose lift wasn't an option on 997.1, so if this car has it then it's aftermarket
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pissedpuppy (07-03-2021)
#8884
Rennlist Member
It was for sale before at Mark Motors. Always google the VIN of any car you are thinking of buying. It had black wheels on it before. Painting the from air splitter gloss black is strange but I guess why not. Did they use a paint meter on it? Also how do they claim it's never been tracked? Please.....
Mark Motors listing
If you need a PPI Blair is about 30-40 miles from Omaha and you could contact these folks. You could even have them do it mobile but don't expect in-depth without the car being on a lift. The place is called Star Class Motors the only downside is I wanted a lot of pictures and didn't get them. But they are very nice and willing to please.
Star Class Motors
(402) 932-7827
dane@starclassmotors.com
starclassmotors.com
Last edited by Upscale Audio; 07-02-2021 at 06:11 PM.
#8885
It was for sale before at Mark Motors. Always google the VIN of any car you are thinking of buying. It had black wheels on it before. Painting the from air splitter gloss black is strange but I guess why not. Did they use a paint meter on it? Also how do they claim it's never been tracked? Please.....
Mark Motors listing
If you need a PPI Blair is about 30-40 miles from Omaha and you could contact these folks. You could even have them do it mobile but don't expect in-depth without the car being on a lift. The place is called Star Class Motors the only downside is I wanted a lot of pictures and didn't get them. But they are very nice and willing to please.
Star Class Motors
(402) 932-7827
dane@starclassmotors.com
starclassmotors.com
Mark Motors listing
If you need a PPI Blair is about 30-40 miles from Omaha and you could contact these folks. You could even have them do it mobile but don't expect in-depth without the car being on a lift. The place is called Star Class Motors the only downside is I wanted a lot of pictures and didn't get them. But they are very nice and willing to please.
Star Class Motors
(402) 932-7827
dane@starclassmotors.com
starclassmotors.com
You'll want to see this one up close & personal. Hopefully you are close to the vehicle.
Just at a cursory glance, I'm seeing some oxidation in the engine bay (& no under carriage photos, and since this is being sold in Nebraska, you'll want to see those).
Sounds like you already have the carfax, so you can see where this car has lived most of it's life.
... maybe you have already received under-body, suspension & under-engine pics from the seller already.
Some of the rubber grommets look to have that white powdery surface.
What are those two scuff marks on the underside of the engine lid? (& since it is on both sides, it makes me think it is not a light reflection in the photo).
Re: your comment that this is a "rare-ish" spec - In your opinion is that due to painted console, stitching, PCM & seats? ... or is it the "right" spec for your tastes. You won't use the PCM much.
Of course, as everyone here will say: Understanding how much maintenance updates it will need, can be the difference in $10k (Brakes/Rotors? Fluids? Tires (date code)? etc?)
You also mentioned "clean DME", which is great. But a related Question: Did you do a calculation on the average speed over the course of this cars 25.6k miles? (miles/operating hours)
If it is under,... lets say 40 mph, then you may be able to discern that it was a street car most of its life. Babied street cars seem to be in the 30mph - 35 mph range.
Car looks nice, especially if the spec speaks to you. Good luck with your pursuit!
Just at a cursory glance, I'm seeing some oxidation in the engine bay (& no under carriage photos, and since this is being sold in Nebraska, you'll want to see those).
Sounds like you already have the carfax, so you can see where this car has lived most of it's life.
... maybe you have already received under-body, suspension & under-engine pics from the seller already.
Some of the rubber grommets look to have that white powdery surface.
What are those two scuff marks on the underside of the engine lid? (& since it is on both sides, it makes me think it is not a light reflection in the photo).
Re: your comment that this is a "rare-ish" spec - In your opinion is that due to painted console, stitching, PCM & seats? ... or is it the "right" spec for your tastes. You won't use the PCM much.
Of course, as everyone here will say: Understanding how much maintenance updates it will need, can be the difference in $10k (Brakes/Rotors? Fluids? Tires (date code)? etc?)
You also mentioned "clean DME", which is great. But a related Question: Did you do a calculation on the average speed over the course of this cars 25.6k miles? (miles/operating hours)
If it is under,... lets say 40 mph, then you may be able to discern that it was a street car most of its life. Babied street cars seem to be in the 30mph - 35 mph range.
Car looks nice, especially if the spec speaks to you. Good luck with your pursuit!
I did see that prior listing and the black wheels, the wheels on this are originally "silver" (I know that's not the proper paint name) is that correct? I believe the splitter was painted from the factory on this one too. Seems to have been an option.
Paint meter markings are as follows:Pass fender 11.02 mils (clear bra)
Pass Door 3.84
Rear Quarter 4.40
Driver fender 10.94 mils
Driver Door 3.78
Driver Quarter 3.84
Roof 3.52 – 3.10 – 3.85 mils
Hood 11.26- 11.30 mils (clear bra)
Last edited by Steevster981; 07-02-2021 at 07:42 PM. Reason: Forgot a detail.
#8886
Rennlist Member
I've never asked for a PPI on any of the 22 Porsches I've owned since 1972. But I've also never purchased a Porsche (or any other pre-owned car) that I haven't seen in person, inspected thoroughly and driven. That is the way I do it but not everyone subscribes to that methodology.
BTW, all 22 have been winners as well.
Nothing drives me as cRaZy as dealing with a prospective buyer who wants to exchange 40+ emails (that has happened more then once), demands an equal number of photos but refuses to see the car in person, even if I promised to hold it for a couple of days. I learned my lesson to never, ever do that again.
Money or a money transfer talks! Have your funds ready before you start searching for "the right" GT3 version that you are after. The way the market currently is, there are more buyers than sellers and there is no need for sellers to babysit a buyer who isn't a close friend or ready to buy. Three weeks ago I sold my daily driver 2019 Jeep Cherokee in ONE DAY to a local dealer for $1,500 more than I paid for it brand new including tax and the ancillaries. I advertised it on FB Marketplace and 3 other local dealers wanted to buy it after the first one had already taken it. The car market is nuts right now (supply & demand) and not just regarding certain Porsches.
Just my opinion, guys. I'm not a dealer and never have been associated with one, but I've bought and sold a lot of cars that I liked over the years.
BTW, all 22 have been winners as well.
Nothing drives me as cRaZy as dealing with a prospective buyer who wants to exchange 40+ emails (that has happened more then once), demands an equal number of photos but refuses to see the car in person, even if I promised to hold it for a couple of days. I learned my lesson to never, ever do that again.
Money or a money transfer talks! Have your funds ready before you start searching for "the right" GT3 version that you are after. The way the market currently is, there are more buyers than sellers and there is no need for sellers to babysit a buyer who isn't a close friend or ready to buy. Three weeks ago I sold my daily driver 2019 Jeep Cherokee in ONE DAY to a local dealer for $1,500 more than I paid for it brand new including tax and the ancillaries. I advertised it on FB Marketplace and 3 other local dealers wanted to buy it after the first one had already taken it. The car market is nuts right now (supply & demand) and not just regarding certain Porsches.
Just my opinion, guys. I'm not a dealer and never have been associated with one, but I've bought and sold a lot of cars that I liked over the years.
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#8887
Nordschleife Master
It was for sale before at Mark Motors. Always google the VIN of any car you are thinking of buying. It had black wheels on it before. Painting the from air splitter gloss black is strange but I guess why not. Did they use a paint meter on it? Also how do they claim it's never been tracked? Please.....
Mark Motors listing
If you need a PPI Blair is about 30-40 miles from Omaha and you could contact these folks. You could even have them do it mobile but don't expect in-depth without the car being on a lift. The place is called Star Class Motors the only downside is I wanted a lot of pictures and didn't get them. But they are very nice and willing to please.
Star Class Motors
(402) 932-7827
dane@starclassmotors.com
starclassmotors.com
Mark Motors listing
If you need a PPI Blair is about 30-40 miles from Omaha and you could contact these folks. You could even have them do it mobile but don't expect in-depth without the car being on a lift. The place is called Star Class Motors the only downside is I wanted a lot of pictures and didn't get them. But they are very nice and willing to please.
Star Class Motors
(402) 932-7827
dane@starclassmotors.com
starclassmotors.com
my car's never even been driven
all the miles are from being on the dyno....
taking offers, LOL
#8888
So just took my first drive. Everything that has been said on this thread is true. Car is absolutely epic. Engine is on another level once u get above 5k. Actually love the notchy, small gates on the tranny. The car is so mechanical I’ve never felt anything like it. Epic. We lucky
#8889
Banned
Originally Posted by zshecht7792
So just took my first drive. Everything that has been said on this thread is true. Car is absolutely epic. Engine is on another level once u get above 5k. Actually love the notchy, small gates on the tranny. The car is so mechanical I’ve never felt anything like it. Epic. We lucky
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#8890
Congrats Zac! Glad you found the right car for you and glad you’re enjoying the drive so far. I know you have some experience with other Porsche’s and glad this one stands out.
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zshecht7792 (07-03-2021)
#8891
With a relatively light weight body, 500hp is plenty. Take a MAC 720S and see how the numbers climb. It takes hardly anything and you are in the danger zone. We have reached the pinnacle of automotive perfection. Anything more and it’s just to flex on the Instagram users
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#8892
I drove it with stock exhaust this morning and thought it was great. Then installed a gmg and it just sounds like im in a race car. It screams; it is kind of hard to describe. Still have not hit redline yet either. I have reached driving nirvana!
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#8893
Rennlist Member
Can't believe a Porsche dealer (Porsche Barrington) is giving this a go for 110k. This is the one that's been on sale in Texas for ages recently for 89k at super cars San Antonio and been we'll documented history in RL.
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Last edited by Joe Cho; 07-04-2021 at 12:21 AM.
#8894
Rennlist Member
Can't believe a Porsche dealer (Porsche Barrington) is giving this a go for 110k. This is the one that's been on sale in Texas for ages recently for 89k at super cars San Antonio and been we'll documented history in RL.
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#8895
wow that sold quick… but I guess what do you expect from a dealership right smack in the middle of the Bay Area. Would love to see it at least. I wonder who bought it and if that person plan to take it out to local c&c so we can all take a look. Prices very fairly IMO, especially given this is a CPO car and we are talking about a dealership in the Bay. Would’ve expected them to squeeze like 150+ out of it
looking forward becoming part of the group.