Notices
997 GT2/GT3 Forum 2005-2012
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Porsche North Houston

991 GT3 - Dealer Sales Pitch

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-08-2013, 02:06 PM
  #121  
Mike in CA
Race Director
 
Mike in CA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: North Bay Area, CA
Posts: 11,969
Received 128 Likes on 67 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GrantG
Will things like 4 wheel steering and PDCC be allowed on the racer? I would think those options (rumored for the road car) could contribute to longer tire life too...
Any kind of computerized active suspension manipulation, like PDCC, would certainly be verboten. 4-wheel steering systems typically are also computer controlled at the rear since the wheels have to turn in different directions depending on speed. I wouldn't think they'd be allowed either.
Old 02-08-2013, 02:08 PM
  #122  
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Guess...
Posts: 41,783
Received 1,599 Likes on 832 Posts
Default

If this car will be offered as rumored, add Porsche to the list of sports car manufacturers losing the plot.
Old 02-08-2013, 03:32 PM
  #123  
Guest89
Drifting
 
Guest89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: CHI / ATL
Posts: 2,793
Received 201 Likes on 116 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mike in CA
Any kind of computerized active suspension manipulation, like PDCC, would certainly be verboten. 4-wheel steering systems typically are also computer controlled at the rear since the wheels have to turn in different directions depending on speed. I wouldn't think they'd be allowed either.
Would you enjoy watching racing with all of that active/electronic/etc. stuff?

Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
If this car will be offered as rumored, add Porsche to the list of sports car manufacturers losing the plot.
Are you being sarcastic? If this new "GT3" is what Porsche had in mind for their "hardcore" customers, then it is obviously disappointing. A little market niche is dying..
Old 02-08-2013, 04:12 PM
  #124  
Mike in CA
Race Director
 
Mike in CA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: North Bay Area, CA
Posts: 11,969
Received 128 Likes on 67 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Guest89
Would you enjoy watching racing with all of that active/electronic/etc. stuff?
I wasn't making a value judgement on it one way or the other, just stating that current GT regs wouldn't allow it. Since you bring it up, though, I recently read an article on Adrian Newey in Motorsport magazine. He knows a bit about racing as probably the best car designer in F1 history, and in his opinion, the "active era" of F1 in the early '90's (by the end of '93 they had 4 channel ABS, electronic steering, traction control, active ride, etc.) was a "great time" in his words, and he was very sorry to see it pass. Prost, Senna, Hill, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Michael Andretti, et al made for some fairly entertaining racing. Maybe it was before your time.


The issue isn't that active suspension and electronic aids make racing less enjoyable to watch, it's that they make it more, and for some too, expensive to compete.

Last edited by Mike in CA; 02-08-2013 at 08:07 PM.
Old 02-08-2013, 05:58 PM
  #125  
rijowysock
Nordschleife Master
 
rijowysock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: The Arctic Cold
Posts: 5,718
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

i really like all i have heard about it. sounds great and the 991 chassis is amazing, i think it will shine even more with the power and suspension of the GT.

but i hope their are less computer interference.. the 991 felt much more disconnected than 997 but i assume thats safe guards built into normal vehicles for safety/ease of use.
Old 02-08-2013, 10:45 PM
  #126  
Guest89
Drifting
 
Guest89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: CHI / ATL
Posts: 2,793
Received 201 Likes on 116 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mike in CA
I wasn't making a value judgement on it one way or the other, just stating that current GT regs wouldn't allow it. Since you bring it up, though, I recently read an article on Adrian Newey in Motorsport magazine. He knows a bit about racing as probably the best car designer in F1 history, and in his opinion, the "active era" of F1 in the early '90's (by the end of '93 they had 4 channel ABS, electronic steering, traction control, active ride, etc.) was a "great time" in his words, and he was very sorry to see it pass. Prost, Senna, Hill, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Michael Andretti, et al made for some fairly entertaining racing. Maybe it was before your time.


The issue isn't that active suspension and electronic aids make racing less enjoyable to watch, it's that they make it more, and for some too, expensive to compete.
I read the interview with Newey, as well. He's not a driver, he's an engineering/design savant. Those cars are still amazing, but I like to see things that place more emphasis on the driver. That said, if all of that tech can work throughout a 24 hour race, then it can certainly work on the street, provided the manufacturer has the ability to prevent obselescence.

And yeah, it was before my time to watch those races live.
Old 02-09-2013, 01:25 AM
  #127  
ShootingStar
Racer
 
ShootingStar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Tampa, Florida
Posts: 454
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by Guest89
I read the interview with Newey, as well. He's not a driver, he's an engineering/design savant. Those cars are still amazing, but I like to see things that place more emphasis on the driver. That said, if all of that tech can work throughout a 24 hour race, then it can certainly work on the street, provided the manufacturer has the ability to prevent obselescence.

And yeah, it was before my time to watch those races live.
Uuuuh.

Newey can drive. And has. He may not be the best driver in the world, but he certainly can compete.



Tread those waters lightly man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_...rts_activities
Old 02-09-2013, 01:43 AM
  #128  
fbirch
Burning Brakes
 
fbirch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Metairie, LA
Posts: 792
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by X2daC
Uuuuh.

Newey can drive. And has. He may not be the best driver in the world, but he certainly can compete.



Tread those waters lightly man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_...rts_activities
I think the point G89 was making is that Newey’s admiration for computer-controlled, techno-wizardry is based on his perspective as an engineer, not as a driver. But you’re correct that he can certainly drive. He and Martin Brundle recently drove a vintage Jag to victory at Goodwood. As far as I’m aware, it didn’t have computer-controlled sway bars or electro-mechanical steering (but coming out of Newey’s garage, who can be sure?)
Old 02-09-2013, 02:10 AM
  #129  
Guest89
Drifting
 
Guest89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: CHI / ATL
Posts: 2,793
Received 201 Likes on 116 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by X2daC
Uuuuh.

Newey can drive. And has. He may not be the best driver in the world, but he certainly can compete.



Tread those waters lightly man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_...rts_activities
Originally Posted by fbirch
I think the point G89 was making is that Newey’s admiration for computer-controlled, techno-wizardry is based on his perspective as an engineer, not as a driver. But you’re correct that he can certainly drive. He and Martin Brundle recently drove a vintage Jag to victory at Goodwood. As far as I’m aware, it didn’t have computer-controlled sway bars or electro-mechanical steering (but coming out of Newey’s garage, who can be sure?)
Yeah, I'm aware that Adrian Newey can drive, and has driven competition cars before. As said above, Newey's passion is the engineering, and that's what he gets paid to do. As a Newey expert, surely you know about his one-time professed desire to leave F1 to design boats.
Old 02-09-2013, 07:59 AM
  #130  
BBMGT3
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
BBMGT3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,233
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Serge944
If you follow GT1 racing..the GT3 R has the best straightline speed in 2012...
So does the Marussia in F1.
Old 02-09-2013, 01:46 PM
  #131  
P_collector
Burning Brakes
 
P_collector's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 768
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mike in CA
I wasn't making a value judgement on it one way or the other, just stating that current GT regs wouldn't allow it. Since you bring it up, though, I recently read an article on Adrian Newey in Motorsport magazine. He knows a bit about racing as probably the best car designer in F1 history, and in his opinion, the "active era" of F1 in the early '90's (by the end of '93 they had 4 channel ABS, electronic steering, traction control, active ride, etc.) was a "great time" in his words, and he was very sorry to see it pass. Prost, Senna, Hill, Schumacher, Hakkinen, Michael Andretti, et al made for some fairly entertaining racing. Maybe it was before your time.


The issue isn't that active suspension and electronic aids make racing less enjoyable to watch, it's that they make it more, and for some too, expensive to compete.
Hi Mike,

The Senna, Prost, Hakkinen time was exactly my F1 time..I was a teenager at that time..even have met 2 F1 drivers, have most F1 autographs form the 90s..this was still when F1 was f1 - not the bs we have today..but were getting off the topic here..
Old 02-09-2013, 01:50 PM
  #132  
P_collector
Burning Brakes
 
P_collector's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 768
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mike in CA
Companies must still assign priorities as to how they will spend limited resources. You can bet that if they have to choose between racing or R&D for profitable new consumer vehicles, they'll choose the latter. It's a fact that many companies dropped racing programs, including Toyota and Honda in F1 in late 2009, due to the financial crises. I'm not saying I know that's why Porsche hasn't developed a DFI GT motor yet, just that things like this are often a lot more complex and political than they appear.

I agree with you completely; I don't fault the Mezger in any way. Historic engine, superb record, but it's time is passing at the top competitive levels, as every racing innovation must eventually. Still it's wonderful to own a car with one and you are lucky to have two! I would simply suggest that it's possible to appreciate the achievements of the Mezger while also appreciating the potential of it's replacement. Having owned Porsches for 30 years, and admired them for longer than that, I'm willing to be positive about the new car.

If we were closer we could share a good French wine and a good Napa Valley or Sonoma one, regardless of which engine shows up in the GT3.

Hi Mike,

Oh..I love California..and sometimes enjoy a great Cali wine here....seems we have to meet up for one of these one day..yes, unfortunately I dont live there..but if I had a choice..I wouldnt know what to choose regarding living location.....southern france/provence-northern Italy..or California
Old 02-09-2013, 03:44 PM
  #133  
Mike in CA
Race Director
 
Mike in CA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: North Bay Area, CA
Posts: 11,969
Received 128 Likes on 67 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by a.928
Hi Mike,

The Senna, Prost, Hakkinen time was exactly my F1 time..I was a teenager at that time..even have met 2 F1 drivers, have most F1 autographs form the 90s..this was still when F1 was f1 - not the bs we have today..but were getting off the topic here..
Originally Posted by a.928
Hi Mike,

Oh..I love California..and sometimes enjoy a great Cali wine here....seems we have to meet up for one of these one day..yes, unfortunately I dont live there..but if I had a choice..I wouldnt know what to choose regarding living location.....southern france/provence-northern Italy..or California
PM sent
Old 02-10-2013, 05:52 AM
  #134  
Xeattle
Advanced
 
Xeattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I was really hoping the 991 GT3 would come into 2014 swinging 500bhp...I almost think they should hold off on the GT3 until they really have something special.

Even the wing design seems half baked but at least they have kept the center exit exhaust and the front center radiator "smiley" vent...

I'm trying to understand how it will be any different than a 991 Carrera S with Aero kit...joking of coarse but slightly concerned.

20" Center Lock wheels too...yet still only a 305 rear? At least the front tires look to retain a somewhat modern RS 245 section.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/01/07/p...n-july-august/

The following photos pretty much sum up what most likely will be publicly released in a few weeks:











Last edited by Xeattle; 02-10-2013 at 06:17 AM.
Old 02-10-2013, 06:40 AM
  #135  
911rox
Rennlist Member
 
911rox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Regretfully not at a track... :(
Posts: 2,571
Received 24 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

If 20" wheels and tyres were great for traction, I'm sure they'd be standard fitment on their race cars too... Looks to me that the emphasis is shifting from go to show...


Quick Reply: 991 GT3 - Dealer Sales Pitch



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 05:45 PM.