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Old 02-08-2013 | 02:24 AM
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Mooty, I owe you a pint on that Tyrrell reference.
Old 02-08-2013 | 02:41 AM
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Old 02-08-2013 | 02:56 AM
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Manual Driving will be a dying art! I just got my son a 6 speed Mini....my only intent is that he would learn the "art" of driving and someday be able to drive my 997.1 GT3. It looks like I'll be keeping it for a while! Maybe I'll save up for the 4.0 upgrade in my GT3!
Old 02-08-2013 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by X2daC
Mooty, I owe you a pint on that Tyrrell reference.
+1....and perhaps a little pause for Ken T and in particular the P34

Testimonies to individuality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Tyrrell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_P34
Old 02-08-2013 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by uhn2000
Sorry I have the new M5 F10 in MT and its fantastic. I think BMW did a great job this time. Either way Porsche has a 7MT already in the S and 4S I don't have any idea why they would not just make everyone happy and offer options. Its how they make a killing anyways - making you pay for stuff to add-on
BMW may have got it right this time but with the E60 they certainly didn't.

Anyway I'm keen for PDK and will be happy with a 6 wheel tyrrell fan ground effect boron steering wheel 'Mooty' special edition
Old 02-08-2013 | 07:37 AM
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Vantage is a v8. In ACO rules all GT cars have a balance of performance in part with restrictors. As pointed out, it's not an issue of total HP but also torque. It's part of the reason Audi went to diesel. Terminal speed may be the same but a dielsel engine was able to get to the top speed quicker than the petro engines. Torque is also the design advantage that Toyota had over Audi in 2012 in that they were able to utilize their hybrid power immediatley but Audi had to wait until they reached 120 km because Audi was using an all wheel drive system. Torque would be a reason for Porsche to move to flat 8.
Old 02-08-2013 | 07:49 AM
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The formulae applied to standardise the different cars is something I've never understood... The Porsches certainly have an advantage in braking and handling but they are always under power and lacking in torque. Why are they restricted to the extent they are? They are always put way behind the eight ball unnecessarily... A flat 6 should be allowed the hp to offset the lack of torque associated with its format.

I feel that regulations are the biggest problem for Porsche in the racing scene and not the ability of their products...
Old 02-08-2013 | 09:39 AM
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^^ if not the other brands and their cash would bail..
Old 02-08-2013 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by brake dust
It's part of the reason Audi went to diesel.
Audi went to diesel juste because that's what they sell in Europe, and Peugeot wouln't even have come back to Le Mans if they couldn't market diesel... ACO just helped both brands achieve what they wanted from a marketing standpoint.
Old 02-08-2013 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 911rox
The formulae applied to standardise the different cars is something I've never understood... The Porsches certainly have an advantage in braking and handling but they are always under power and lacking in torque. Why are they restricted to the extent they are? They are always put way behind the eight ball unnecessarily... A flat 6 should be allowed the hp to offset the lack of torque associated with its format.

I feel that regulations are the biggest problem for Porsche in the racing scene and not the ability of their products...
Its politics. Porsche insists on making money from motorsports, so they don't do nearly the level of investment in marketing and advertising to championship organizers that the likes of Audi & Merc & BMW do. So they get shafted on regulations. And rightly so - most series out there really struggle financially to survive, so when a manufacturer says "I'm putting $20mn behind this, I'm supporting x teams & drivers, but you need to change your regs to allow my V-8" then they do it. Obviously in real life its more subtle than that, but you take my point.
Old 02-08-2013 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike in CA
The 991 Cup with the Mezger certainly will be faster than the 997 Cup with the same motor, but it will obviously come down to the superior 991 chassis. Due to restrictors, you're absolutely right that power isn't the issue, but weight and efficiency are. I read that the Ferrari 458 V8 DFI can complete a 6 hour race with only 4 fuel stops, starting with a full tank and finishing with an empty one. The Mezger-engined Porsches need an extra stop, creating a tactical disadvantage. With 24 hour races often being decided by seconds these days, you can see where efficiency becomes a big deal.
We also have a tire wear issue, the new chassis will decrease the rear tire degradation because of much better balance.
Old 02-08-2013 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mvez
We also have a tire wear issue, the new chassis will decrease the rear tire degradation because of much better balance.
Will things like 4 wheel steering and PDCC be allowed on the racer? I would think those options (rumored for the road car) could contribute to longer tire life too...
Old 02-08-2013 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bmardini
Its politics. Porsche insists on making money from motorsports, so they don't do nearly the level of investment in marketing and advertising to championship organizers that the likes of Audi & Merc & BMW do. So they get shafted on regulations. And rightly so - most series out there really struggle financially to survive, so when a manufacturer says "I'm putting $20mn behind this, I'm supporting x teams & drivers, but you need to change your regs to allow my V-8" then they do it. Obviously in real life its more subtle than that, but you take my point.
spot on
Old 02-08-2013 | 01:16 PM
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If you follow GT1 racing..the GT3 R has the best straightline speed in 2012...
Old 02-08-2013 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Serge944
If you follow GT1 racing..the GT3 R has the best straightline speed in 2012...
It's because they have alot less downforce than the newer models, and the FIA GT1 & Blancpain GT3 gave them a little power to offset a big aero-disadvantage in the corners. The 2013 spec is going to allow the GT3-R to run wider bodywork and more downforce to help keep pace with all the new machinery.

Prospeed should have a good showing this year in the FIA GT and Blancpain series this year. 991 GT3-R should be ridiculous.

Blancpain is blowing up.....new Maserati GT3 joining this year. That's 13 different makes.


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